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Im ok with that test. This means they actually give a shit again. I have no hard feelings about the last string of albums because Billie needed to get his head on right. But the band needs to do something above and beyond again. Don’t leave me hanging with 21cb. And no, Rev Rad wasn’t it.

🎵 She's gonna bang her head like a coked-up leprechaun 🎵

Mike references the vault in my 2011 interview https://youtu.be/8IJ7P8bxtWk💚

That wasn't a fight, it was more trying to burn off energy, keep Billie awake, and it was before the show. Edit- Found it in Rolling Stone (interview with Mike)- What was it like for you that day in Vegas, even before the show? It was very tense back there. They locked us in a room for about six hours. [Pause] I won’t say “locked.” But I didn’t want to hang out in the hallway with everybody’s entourage. I felt like a rat in a cage. It was a confined space with a lot of weird people around, people we didn’t know wandering in and out [of the dressing room]. When Billie showed up, it was, “You’re not right. What’s going on?” I kept an eye on things, and it just went progressively downhill. Me and Billie – we don’t play like 12-year-olds anymore. But at one point, I was like, “Let’s goof around.” Somehow, we ended up wrestling backstage. I thought, “If I can just get some of this out of him . . . ” But with the mood depressants and alcohol, it doesn’t end up in a jovial party.

Probably not but why shouldn’t they? The fact the story is tied to AI will warrant a ton of streams and publicity. Great way to stir it up and ramp up before an album. There’s literally no reason right now to keep this vaulted especially after their last string of albums. They gained the band little to no traction. The biggest thing for the band in the past decade has been the rock n roll hall of fame induction. Considering Billie’s legs were like linguine I think it’s safe to say Mike came out on top.

I saw your interview with Mike a while back. Thanks for that awesome interview! Very rare you see someone know the band in that detail and pull out that kind of info from them. I knew there were some Christmas songs floating around. Did they intend to actually release an album for those? Songs for Assholes was actually stolen from Otis Ironically at that time I was listening to The Network and Green Day not knowing The Network was Green Day. Roshambo was in an NHL game and it wasnt till I started becoming more of a mega fan did I realize hey hold on… I know that voice!

What about PUP

"We're gonna live the truth and pretend that it's okay!" I have a feeling this album is going to have heartfelt meaningful lyrics!!!

To add in as well on the C&V talk and just about demos and vaulting in general I was able to find out from the Warning EPK that: Waste Away Sleepyhead and Clusterbomb were actually for Warning. So of the 65 songs was Mike including those 3? Was he also including the Stones cover? There’s really a lot from this era - also those Greenday.com messages like Minnesota Girl and Things I Heard Today were those possibly recorded or demoed? We also have Olivia and Dreamcatcher from which I assume were 21cb outtakes? This vault is massive and I have a feeling we do hear C&V and most likely soon. Green Day was in talks with the label around FOAMF and that usually is about back catalog rights and stuff. Their new music has had very little traction and with streaming platforms and with the analytics they now have on those platforms it’s clear there’s opportunity for the band to release the unheard vaulted stuff and while doing that theyre moving the old records to the top of their spotify list. For the first statement that interview I posted confirms that they made a choice to pursue the newer project over C&V The other part not sure. I dont think it is unlikely that Roshambo or Supermodel Robots were from the C&V sessions. For the first song I find it curious that the valentines line is used and the same year the album was to drop. as for the latter it matches the style of some of the other songs. C&V was the first time GD was going to dabble with that FBHT and Dos like songs. They were fans of that movement in the early 2000s. Mike event gave kudos to The Strokes in that interview I shared.

This "more soon", shockingly, never turned into anything.

I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus (Green Day Polka Version). It would be a hit.

always the secret source... haha No way MM2020 was intended to be the so called C&V... and even since John Roecker shared a picture of the 'demos' he has, it became kinda obvious that Cigarettes and Valentines in fact existed and was recorded and it's not what became to be The Network

Those songs probably include the Christmas album too

There’s no way that they debut a new song live and then silence about that until next year 🫠

I mean it’s fairly hard to release an album you’re currently writing. There was relevant themes of that time/era they wanted to capitalize on. The whole point is do you release that type of album at the present time in 04 or do you wait 4 years to release it? I think part of the prioritization of AI was the relevancy of those themes and wasn’t AI out just before the election? I’m pretty sure that was strategic. I remember AOL sessions they were asked Bush or Kerry? They all answered Kerry at the same time lol. Was that not 2 months prior to the election? I can hardly find a more relevant time for the subject matter, regardless of the results of the election. There were other sources though and hopefully I can find time to link them. John’s list was one of my other sources. They turned those into Reprise as part of that record in their deal.

highlights so far: - he says they came up with about 16 songs that were pretty good a few months after pop disaster, but they also had "two or three songs over here, that were something worth chasing". - "we had the songs and we turned in the record in [sic], and me and Billie got together and we started talking with Tre and we said those are really good songs, but we've got these over here, and we kinda feel like - should we put out these and then wait three or four years to put out these other songs and chase this other thing that we see going on over here? So that was kinda it, we decided to chase those". - Rented Studio 880 and "practiced and recorded and demo'd every day for a year, came up with the better part of four records, like 65 songs or something like that" - "there was really no limits, I mean, there was things recorded in there that the world should never ever hear, because that's how no limits it was" EDIT: Okay yeah that's really all that's relevant in there

Absolutely, That would be the goldmine really. Warning is the one that really excites me though, I would love to hear Clusterbomb and get an idea of how Letterbomb started out. Its such a different track to the other songs on Warning so it would be a really cool insight to see if it changed much over time.

I think this may be correct. A couple years back there was a fan on here telling a story of how he got to meet the band backstage on the RevRad tour through some charity connection. He asked Billie if we might one day hear C&V and he said that we already have, that it’s MM2020. So that confirms this. And those pre-AI tensions have been well documented by the band. Mike and Tre were being very critical of Billie’s songs to the the point where he was afraid to play them for them, they didn’t know how to treat each other with respect like adults and they had to grow up a little, work together more and make a conscious decision to continue with the band.

Linguine kept in motion by nothing but pure rage

there's just no way they would throw in a full-on long lost album as bonus material included with an anniversary release, right? especially not in a year where a real new album is coming out. the most we could hope for are outtakes and demos from the sessions.

Wow I would have never became a fan of Green Day if it wasn't for American Idiot. Imagine having MM2020 instead of AI in 2004... Oooof

Same. You hear a few typical Green Day sounds but overall not really Green Day-ish. Imagine back then they would have release it as Green Day with that new wave sound 😂 I thought it was sort of a group therapy for them. They had a bad time as a band. Was it the time during or before recordings Mike and Billie had a fight? I read something about it but I dont know when that happened.

Don't forget Horseshoes and Handgrenades was also written around 03. It would be cool to get a demo of how that originally sounded back then. It would be missing the G-L-O-R-I-A part at the end, or that part would just be different I wouldn't see them releasing MM2020 as a Green Day album. Not because Billie would've been scared to release it under the Green Day name but because it's so unrecognizable as Green Day that it just makes a lot more sense to release under a side project. Like some of the songs could've been GD songs of course but basically any of the songs Mike sings just don't sound anything like Green Day, even if Billie were singing them. As different as American Idiot or any of the later albums would've sounded compared to what they did pre-AI, they still would've been recognizable as Green Day even if released back in 2003

Source?

C&V master tapes stolen is bs. The followup to Warning was Money Money 2020 but Billie was afraid people wouldn't like it so the decided to release it as a side project and write a new GD record. There.

Glad to see he's doing well!

I've always said if Roshambo had been released as a GD song, it'd be in my top 25 GD songs.

He says, the band recorded about 16 songs and then scrapped it as the few new songs that were recorded after those were more exciting. The list of songs that John Roecker had posted as outtakes from that era has exactly 16 songs. It once again makes me think that it probably is the pool of songs that were generaly decided for C&V (with a few more additions) but scrapped later. Here Mike also mentions that there were around 65 songs in total recorded during that time. If lets say 16 of them were for C&V and 14 of them were for The Network, and 13 of them are for AI, then there are remaining 20-22 songs that maybe one day we will hear in their original demo form.(although some of them were developed and made their way into the following albums in a different form) Interesting information...

yup, this was one of if not the first Idiot era interview, and the story of the stolen tapes wasn't created back then. In this interview, Mike admits they just dropped the material to follow another path

I actually had no idea about that. Is this in the same vein as that dude from Hedley?

Remember the times when green day used to destroy their stage after every show? Also Billie used to throw away his guitar after the finale song too

As far as Canadian bands go, Propagandhi > Sum 41. And I like Sum 41 a lot.

Exactly my thoughts. To get C&V untouched would be the biggest gift they could give us

This is giving me Teenage Bottlerocket vibes

Tried to make it as accurate as possible based on a live video and studio teasers!

Google told me it is short for "kangaroo" 😌

I dont know if I read it in an article or book from „Ben Myers“. I tried to find an article but only found about the „wrestling fight“ between Mike and Billie Joe after the iHeart Show

Where was this mentioned? All I know is that there were tensions in the band heading into C&V and AI. Billie was somewhat the target of the frustrations. Ironically that happened again during the trilogy with his issues and I know Mike went at it with Billie then.

Why did Mike and Billie fight? And over what? Source?