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Rob Cavallo is the fixer, I'm guessing. Similarly, Butch Vig likely had a large influence on 21CB. RevRad was pretty good for self-produced but imagine if it had a Cavallo/Vig touch.

I don't think so. Green Day have been more consistent than most rock bands even with some of their less successful albums. 13 albums and only two eras that weren't quite what most fans wanted? That's impressive. Green Day have a strong enough following that 14 could be an absolute horror show and their career wouldn't really suffer much. They'd keep on going out and playing their One-Twenty-One Hits, taking the money and crawling away and the cycle continues. Haha. I do hope that this album is something really special though. And the band definitely want to please fans. I keep going back to what Jason White said in the recent podcast. The interviewer was asking if Green Day could play some songs Jason wrote, like 2nd Street and some other Pinhead Gunpowder songs. Jason's response was something like "we're here to make friends, not enemies." I really think Green Day, for better or worse, are going to go on popular consensus in Album 14 and really make something that appeals to the majority of Green Day fans. It's going to have flavors of Dookie and Idiot, with a little bit of Nimrod and Breakdown and then completely on accident, a tiny bit of 'modern Green Day' just so there's something to complain about. I hope that some new songs can gain enough traction to be played live. That's my biggest concern. And while I love the weird, wacky stuff in their catalogue, I also enjoy the big hits and I think Green Day 14 is going to be well received. Will it sell? No One Knows.

That was my problem with FOAM. This whole “we’re not taking it seriously” thing is fine in small doses but it gets to a point where it’s like “well if the band doesn’t care, why should I?”. I don’t want to see Green Day become U2 but there’s nothing wrong with taking pride in your work. That and we waited 4 years for 26 minutes of new music. And the inconsistent production style. And the songs that weren’t really about anything. And that stupid fucking album art.

I don't think Walker was the right choice for Green Day but I don't think it's fair for people to blame the problems with the album on him when the sound of the album was almost surely down to Billie, which is what it's been like since at least American Idiot. I think the issue with Walker was probably not doing what Cavallo or Vig could do which was challenge the band to do better than they have before. Rob, as he's worked with them for most of their career, was clearly able to do that. After C&V, he asked the band if that was the best they could do and they said no and made American Idiot. Butch Vig is the reason Billie ended up writing Restless Heart Syndrome as he had the melody of that song for years and Vig made him write lyrics for the song. He's also the reason why H&H is on the album too. Both these songs are amongst my favourite GD songs and I'm so glad they were made and put on the album I think every band once they've been around enough kind of have the same problem. Where they have many different types of fans that prefer different types of music. Like look at Weezer for example. There are groups that like the Blue album the most, then those who prefer Pinkerton, those who prefer their 00's stuff, their 2010s stuff, their poppier stuff, their more rock sounding stuff etc. You just can't please them all. There are plenty of other bands I could mention to. Linkin Park after Meteora would drastically change their sound for each new album and fans had their own preferences. There are a ton of other examples I could give And even if GD did manage to make an extremely commercially successful album that is considered a "masterpiece", there will still be parts of the fanbase that wouldn't like it, or at least not as much as their older stuff. All of their albums have had their detractors. Dookie was considered a sellout, Insomniac was considered a disappointment after Dookie by many, Nimrod released Good Riddance and experimental stuff which a lot of older fans would've also considered a sellout. Warning was hated by many. AI was a huge shift and while very successful was disliked by a lot of older fans. Same with 21CB. The trilogy, of course, was hated by many. RevRad and FOAMF, no different, also got a lot of hate and criticism I don't think the band should care about trying to please everyone because they can't. It's just not possible

I'm sorry, but where does anyone get off calling them lazy and dispassionate? That's just an absolutely insane thing to accuse this band of, just because they had fun making FOAM doesn't mean they didn't believe in it as much as their other records. I'm sorry you didn't like it, but that claim is just completely baseless.

Foam is great, it’s the second worst album of Green Day but it’s great. Anyway, I relistened/rewatched 1981 and I was thinking of what if they performed it in order to record the footage for a live music video as part of the promotion? Not saying it’s gonna be the lead single but maybe a promotional single they release later?

I have a strong feeling they really put their heart and soul into this one!!!

Songsforassholes.

Ewww no thanks. I'd hate to hear what DIDN'T make it on to the album 😂

It’s interesting that AI has a new and different meaning these days. To Green Day fans, it could mean American Idiot. Maybe an updated rock opera could be called AI? Kind of neat play on words that references the album but brings it up to date. American Idiot was all about losing your identity. AI can be saying something similar in today’s world with plagiarism, deep fakes and loss of jobs. Not saying they’re doing this but it would be fun to see Billie try some clever storytelling with the American Idiot/AI thing. Oh no, I’m starting to sound like @That Dude ! 😂

Theres some dude on YouTube that makes crazy Green Day conspiracy videos. He’s already talked about 1981. Nope they’re cemented already on back catalog alone. A huge part of GD’s success during AI was the discovery of their back catalog by a new generation. Very few bands put together a discography of this quality so even if band isn’t adding to it a lot of other bands fall short still despite that. Notorious for a great live show as well. I’m no fan of butch walker but in all fairness he didn’t write the songs on the album. I love Rob Cavallo a lot for all of his work not just Green Day work, but even with the trilogy how did the guitars end up sounding like that? Shit happens, sometimes we go to work and we have good periods of output and sometimes we suck. We’re humans. And ps Butch knows a lot about modern digital recording methods, he is still very much a pro. Green Day always sounded better on tape though. Rob is the best producer for Green Day no doubt. He knows how to channel their chaos. Watch all these videos over the years of them recording with him. He’s the only one who’s ever had them sit there with an attention span for more than 2 mins. They respect Rob. Butch Vig was also a great producer for the band. Those are the two who stick out for me across Green Day’s career. They both got maximum Green Day.

where does it lack punch? maybe it is lacking "dirt" but the clean crunch tone of the guitars is punchy as fuck

It's an exact cover. All this does is prove what a great song it is. Green Day's version has plenty of energy, it just had too much falsetto.

Someone one give us those FOAM demos please.

Overthinking it. Billie prompted chatgpt to write a song about 1981 and this is what we got.

HAPPY PAGE 500, EVERYBODY! 🎉 🥳

You: GD's version of the song is lazy and has no passion pacejunkie: It's actually a great song with energy. It just has too much falsetto You: Yeah that's my point But, that wasn't your point. The performance of the song was fine. It wasn't lazy and it's not lacking in emotion or passion. The falsetto and production are really the only issues with that song. The falsetto is enough to ruin the song for me but otherwise it's honestly a pretty great Green Day song. It was literally just a poor choice for the song imo, not laziness

That’s exactly my point. A good song was ruined by a poor performance and lack of emotion.

Technically the producer credit was “Rob Cavallo and Green Day”. Though I watched Cuatro and came away with the impression that it he was pretty hands-off.

If this new album isn’t good, Green Day risk alienating their fan base after the torture they’ve put us through for the last 2 years.

Reminder: we don't share leaks in general around here, not just for new songs.

I'm sure there's a reason behind it and I hope we learn sometime in the future. I already forgot about it and excited for the new one;)

Do you guys think they’ll debut any other new songs in September at Louder than Life and When We Were Young? Do you think the lead single would be out by then?

Dear Sleuthes: We don't want snippets. Go big or go home as they say, and we want the mother Mary load. Every single unreleased song from 87 til July 2023 right now, right here. For free, with blessing from the band and also, maybe 50 dollars if we listen to it all in one long session. I am still thinking Uno of All American Nimrods with be out early February and now I believe the single will be out October 17th. Musically, think Missing You and Scattered reproducing children.

There was no problem with FOAM. Even it was stated in interviews as ''I don’t think anybody’s taking themselves too seriously, and I think people can sense that by the giant rainbow-puking unicorn that is the icon of the entire fucking thing''. Songsforassholes was the secret instagram account of the band at the time as you may remember. The band enjoyed having 'one foot at the party' without taking it too seriously and so did I. Now waiting for the next one...

Took me a second to get the reference....now I get it, though. You're confirming 1972 will be Uno Updated! : Updated with worse lyrics. I mean modern lyrics. Like Fall Out Boy did for Jilly Boel.

assholes like butch walker? I mean i think he was the biggest problem of FOAM

there must be the full versions out there and some idiots in here are assholes and wont share it..

It's just the snippets out there anyway

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvFj1ggxbTY/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Someone kill the youtube

as far as i know DJD stands for Damn Juvenile Delinquents

Release something

Great example of how energy and variance can improve a song. Green Day is just lazy and has no passion anymore.