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We're in 2004. We got the single American Idiot followed by BOBD, JoS and Holiday . A fucking masterpiece album. Then in 2009, Green Day released the single Know Your Enemy followed by 21 Guns, East Jesus Nowhere and 21stCB. Different sound, but DAMN this album is another fucking masterpiece. And theeeeeeeen we're in April 2012. Green Day announced a fucking TRILOGY album. The hype is big because their last 2 albums was amazing. What do we got during the summer of 2012? Oh Love (with a bunch of Playboy girls)... followed by Kill The DJ... and Let Yourself Go. A big disappointment. But hey it's a Trilogy album. Let give them a chance with iDos! and iTré! We all know what happened for iDos!. Billie playing Fuck Time during iHeart and the only single from this album was Stray Heart... an okay song. Forgettable. Last chance with iTré!. We learnt that ''The Forgotten'' will be in Twilight. Yeah! Not. 99 Revolutions will be in the credit for the movie The Campaign. Yeah! Not. X-Kid is release. Thanks God this song is good tho. But worst fucking clip ever. Overall that was the worst promotion ever. The worst singles ever. The worst times in the life of the band member ever to release a project like this. My point of view.

I'm expecting them to stay with Butch Walker. For their next album, I'm just gonna expect another FOAM so that if it's better than FOAM, I'll be pleasantly surprised

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Butch Walker gave us robot beatboxing in a Green Day song, which was something I never knew I never wanted until I heard it. I don't like Nightlife as a song but I totally see what they were going for, Billie being so close to the Mystic Knights of the Cobra crew at that point. But I don't even know what they were aiming for with Oh Yeah! with a lot of the production choices. And it seems so unevenly applied, Fire Ready Aim sounds dry as a bone (probably not helping the car commercial vibe) and I'd argue is underproduced while Oh Yeah!, Junkies On A High, Stab You In The Heart, and even Graffitia all go the other direction. Meet Me On The Roof, Take the Money and Crawl, and Sugar Youth (although someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe Walker produced this track) fall somewhere in the sweet spot but that's like, a third of the record. Needless to say Father of All Motherfuckers is all over the place and I'll be more skeptical if they go back to Walker. My fantasy would be for them to hook up with Nigel Godrich but I don't see that happening any time soon. Lack of an active band to promote it really hurt and I honestly think a trilogy of albums was too much to ask of non-fans. Oh Love being the lead single was also a bad choice IMO.

I guess they're legit instrumentals, since there are no backing vocals, they're in very high quality and I'm hearing all kinds of instruments in different way since Billie's vocals masks some instruments too well; just listen Kill the DJ and Makeout Party for example and skip straight to post-solo where bass sounds insane! Now if only we had multitracks.. damn I'd listen that guitar only tracks for dayssssssss. Oh, Let Yourself Go is certified banger and it's sad that The Boys don't play it anymore :(((

I would love another record from Butch Vig or Rob. Rob has worked with them long enough to know how to bring out their best and Vig also really pushed their sound and songwriting to the next level. I agree Walker is too much of a fanboy and a yes-man. I also do not care for the sound of FOAM. It's way too filtered and dirty. I like a bigger, cleaner sound like the Trilogy, AI, or 21CB.

If they work with Butch Walker again he will have them singing sea shanties for the sake of sounding relevant.

Between Warning, Revrad and the new Network stuff I think Green Day should produce the next Green Day album

On that note, I think Butch W is too much of a fanboy who loves everything they do and may not be brutally honest with them. Rob and to a greater extent Butch Vig really pushed them (in addition to Billie pushing himself which for reasons I don’t think he’s done as much more recently)

Butch vig did a great job with 21STCB, they even won the grammy, I think they should work with him or those you mention again, they should change their musical direction but without losing the touch that characterizes Green Day

Do you know of any songs that are not Green Day, yet sound like they'd work as Green Day songs? I know a few. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc1Ll-euRSg Who Can It Be Now? sounds like it would fit on nimrod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHW_2DHS6c I can imagine this on Dookie or Insomniac. Maybe Warning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdkPhBiZGIQ I can imagine this being in nimrod, American Idiot, maybe the trilogy. Come to think of it this could even fit on 21st Century Breakdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1PRjlUo6bs Another Dookie type song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cqHtGb9WYM Make this faster and use power chords/yelling vocals instead of soft singing, and you got yourself a Dookie/Insomniac/nimrod hit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uQi0vJK9lk Probably an American Idiot song if you make it a little slower. Just a little slower. And add piano parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxuTd9rwEHQ Little faster, use more normal power chords, and it's a nimrod song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beX-9wW5rL0 Could be somewhere on the trilogy.

I love all your arguments!

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That too. Oh Love got a lot of airplay on the grounds of being a new Green Day single after their super successful streak, but it was nothing like anything that was currently popular... they were bound to lose their spotlight as they’d release more and more singles in a similar vein. That said, commercial success isn’t what matters and I’ll much rather listen to the trilogy than top 40 pop rock of its era (this was the time when coldplay ft. pop singer became a thing and since then this been how bands stay relevant in the mainstream).

I think popular music was also changing at that time and they weren't following the trend. Power pop wasn't successful even in it's heyday. Billie once called power pop the best music that no one listens to. He's right, but that explains a lot.

I don’t think the trilogy would have been a hit if rehab didn’t happen. Obviously, it tanked commercially because of no promotion, but it still wasn’t that great.

The biggest reason was the promotion; Billie went to rehab during the same week when Uno! came out. All of those albums came out with no band supporting them, so them flopping was inevitable. Even if GD was out there promoting the albums like crazy workhorses they were in 2012, major criticisms to production and Nightlife would've still happened and there was simply no chance in hell that Trilogy would've been major success. On positive side, Oh Love charted really well and Uno! did pretty good sales because there was an actual band hyping ''ayyy we have three albums coming out!'' in fucking Angry Birds of all the places.

Simple answer is that Trilogy flopped, Billie went to rehab and tour got cut short. For more complex and detailed answers you'd need someone else to answer to this, but my assumption is that Rob was the one who was responsible for the sound of the album, which was the biggest criticism Trilogy got. Reading Billie's more recent interviews, he's not happy about the production either so it would make sense that The Boys didn't want Rob Cavallo to produce any more Green Day albums going forward. However, since there is no known drama between them after Trilogy came out, it might be just as simple as Rob being too busy and Green Day wanting to do something new with different producers. Regarding what's he up these days, he's still producing albums as far as I know.

I could make time in my schedule, maybe give them a Spring 2022 release. I'm a man of the people and know what Green Day fans want. FOAM and Trilogy sounds, but pushed waaaaaaay further. More vocal effects and Butch Walker allowed to change anything he wants. Millenium whoa-oh-ohs. And a worse version of Here Comes the Shock.

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I would say not trying as hard is understandable if Billie thinks he’d be pushing himself artistically at the expense of his health, but that’s not mutually exclusive with maintaining some quality control. I think Butch Walker did a good job with FOAM sonically, even though it’s somewhat too bubble gummy at times, but there are some songs that just didn’t need to be released at all.

“Title track”from mgk’s album tickets to my downfall

Mother's day post from Tre https://www.instagram.com/p/COqelp5AWFw/?igshid=ktr1dcs2j37f

Even if it didn’t click for you musically, it’s BEAUTIFULLY produced.

Weezer crushed FOAM in the last year with Ok Human and Van Weezer. I really want them to be the 2nd headliners right before Green Day. And The Interrupters right before Weezer. And FOB doing a 30min set right before The Interrupters.

One name. Rick Rubin.

New Trilogy Instrumentals confirmed to me that all 37 songs have something to offer. The most boring song instrumental wise is 99 Revolutions, but even that one has interesting lyrics. Shame it was released one year too late. I've been waiting for so many years that I can finally hear Nightlife without vocals (I love Nightlife's vocals, but I wanted to hear it without those aswell) and now that I did, I'm positive that it's by far the most interesting song from Green Day. Vibes that I'm getting from that instrumental is something that I haven't experienced before from Green Day song. Beautiful song.

That's why everyday I'm pressing the ''Mark site as read'' button without even read anything 😂

I did a perfect scratch on the CD right where Popper Punk is playing. So when Hey Elon is over it's going right onto JFPP.

Finally I received my CD!

I'm gonna lose lose lose my mind. My CD is still in St Bernardino!!!!! Since April 15th.... AAAAAAARGH