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Adoseofbuckley once made a good argument towards what is and isn't "selling out". As he described it, selling out isn't whichever monetary ways you chose to promote your product. After all, artists should be able to live from their art if they have an audience willing to pay for their work. What's the problem in that scenario? There isn't one. Selling out on the other hand, is changing/adapting your content so that it can be sold better or more easily on the market, even if it contradicts deeply held personal beliefs, values or just straight out personal preferences. In a world dominated by the importance of money, we all might do this to a certain extent, but I think within reason. So a sell-out in his eyes (and I agree with his view) would be someone who simply goes along with the tide and tries to capitalise on what is popular or sellable, rather than simply selling or promoting what would reflect their own authentic artistic style. It's a fine line, but I think it is possible to draw distinctions with that definition. Not making any comment on the specific NFL thing, everyone should decide that for themselves.

First thing I thought of was Panic At The Disco 😂 There's definitely a difference between what you've stated and maturing as a songwriter or trying to grow your sound. My supporting arguments against GD being "sell outs" are Dookie, Insomniac, Warning and Uno Dos and Tre. Dookie was projected to sell 100,000 copies at the time it was recorded. There was no thinking hey this is a Diamond album. Insomniac was more aggressive in nature. Warning was a huge step away from the albums before it that sold more copies. Uno Dos and Tre was a huge risk for them as releasing a trilogy isn't exactly the norm in the industry. Many of the songs use pop vocal phrasings and structures however, that falls under 60's pop not the pop that's selling today.

Nicely put. This is exactly what I think of as sell out. And I know so many people consider Green Day to be sell outs, but the way I see it is they do what they want. They've made some questionable choices, but I still felt like it came from a place of them wanting to do it in the first place. And I don't think they compromise their sound or what they're about to do so.

Green Day won't make another great album until they get away from this "real rock is simple" mentality. It's blatantly not true and I'm surprised that people as well versed in rock's history as they are would say such things. Also, there's simple music that has depth and simple music that's just lazy. GD seems to think lazy = rock n roll. American Idiot wasn't Pink Floyd complex, but it was heartfelt, detailed, and had musical depth. Even FBHT was supposed to be a goofy side project, but boy is that good. Billie's been talking about ADHD music, which apparently to him means not putting a lot of effort into things. I will say that the Longshot was great and probably my favorite era since 21CB. It's a good example of simple music with depth and heart.

I will belatedly join the photo posting party. This is one of my favourites, although I wish I could find the others

Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think Green Day is more a band of where maybe they kinda "sold out" in this or that very specific way or action, but their general content (especially their music) seems to come from a genuine place for me, even if it does or did sell extremely well occasionally. Just because something is marketable, that doesn't immediately make the artist a sell-out.

When unicorns follow you everywhere.... (my mom gave me this and I laughed so hard. She didn't get it.)

Few more from the AMAs: And this one from iheart:

I could imagine that GD thinks that they reached everything they always wanted to reach and everything that‘s yet to come is like an encore for just having fun and enjoy playing together. I really hope that maybe in a few years they want to do one last concept album again but I‘m not that optimistic... But look at the Rolling Stones. They did one studio album in the last 15 years I think and they still keep touring and just having fun. So why not

Some Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2012:

But that is a criticism in itself. That a song sounds like it hasn't had much effort put into it. It's not like we're stating it as a fact that the band didn't put any effort into it, because you're right. We can't know that. But based on what we've heard from them, one can make the conclusion that it SOUNDS like they haven't put in sufficient effort

Well he says that the songs feel like they haven't put effort on them. I don't see why someone is offended by that. It's constructive criticism and seeing what green day have produced in the past one can easily see how a song like fra doesn't require much effort to make.

OMG that last one 😍😍😍 he looked great at this show, totally perfect.

I think you're being way too optimistic. You could argue that I'm being too pessimistic but until I see something that shows a reason to be more optimistic about the album, I'll continue my pessimisim. Everything we've seen/heard about the album so far has been off. The singles, the album cover, the weird descriptions Billie's given - FIrstly, GD are never going to have another album get close to AI level of critical or commercial success, hell I highly doubt they'll even get back to 21CB level of success. Secondly, if they did, it wouldn't be an album that has FOAM and FRA on it. Thirdly, as the music industry continues to leave rock music behind, GD's new material will go with it - The singles are average at best to me. The rest of the songs might be better but I don't see them being amazing songs if the singles are any indication - I don't see myself growing to like FOAM or FRA anymore than I do now but it's possible. It also seems illogical to me to make a prediction of how people will view this album years from now when we've not heard most of it.

Why is it wrong to be on nfl commercials and video games? Like promoting the new music and get as many people as possible to hear it and get paid for it is a bad thing?

That first one is definitely a hot take I gotta give you that The second one I'm trying to be hopeful for The third one is definitely believable

Bold Prediction Time: - This will be Green Days most critically successful album since American idiot. - The singles while decent, are the worst songs on the album - In 3 years from now this album will be many people's favorite album and will be considered "underrated."

Same! I think FRA would honestly sound even better live. I was low key expecting them to play it when I saw the recordings of them playing at the Tiki Bar... I wonder what the next single will be. We've got 9 out of 10 titles so far...

Just for those who say he was drinking all along, he used to mark off his sobriety on his IG. Personally, I wish that he wouldn't drink, but know there's not much I can do as a fan but hope for the best. But we do have an emotional connection to him, so it's natural for us to care about what happens to him.

I will argue a little here and say his actions have more influence than that even with regards to people who don’t know him personally because music has a deep impact on people’s lives. He may not owe us but the emotional connection is still real and goes way beyond the disappointment of a cancelled show. How many fans have shared stories about how Green Day has inspired them, made their lives better and even quite literally saved their lives? People are concerned because they are afraid. His loss would be devastating and not just on his own friends and family. It’s not just a harmless beer we’re talking about, it’s alcoholism. People die from alcoholism.

I’m sure when he told RS in 2013 “that was my last drink. It’s documented” and if he ever felt like drinking again he only had to watch that video, and the stuff about letting the fans down etc. he meant it. At the time he meant it. But addiction’s a bitch and after a while you get complacent and forget and start to rationalize that you can handle it when the desire returns, which it does. It’s a lifetime struggle for anyone but it doesn’t mean his intentions weren’t pure and different fresh out of rehab.

All valid points. I was being more sarcastic in response.

Yeah bands like fall out boy, maroon 5, marianas trench, good charlotte, simple plan to some extend, 30 seconds to mars and panic at the disco are the ones I can think of right now. All started playing pop-punk because it was cool in the early 00s (with the exception of maroon 5 but they where a great pop rock band) and then went full pop just to try and keep being relevant. It's not about signing a major label or being commercialized to me. It's about changing your music to do what's cool instead of what you're feeling at that time. That being said I believe a rock band can make pop music without being sellouts if it is natural and not forced.

Just disappointed we didn't get a november single, I really was hoping for a single a month since we got FOAM in sept and Fire Ready Aim in oct. Oh well.

I'm still waiting for your help woman

His old teeth are gross #unicornvomitiswrongagain

Hello - don’t mind me, I’m just a faithful follower of the now debunked MOOTIK thread coming back here to repent for my lack of faith in FOAMF.

Tie between this, one of the first ever Rev pics: and this

My top five- And of course any and all Billie/Kevin ones.

I don’t see anyone here doing any of that, but just talking about how it affects them emotionally as fans. People are able to assess and discuss their own feelings on the situation from a fan perspective, particularly since the fans were already put through it once in 2012.

Some of Murray Bowles photos from Green Day's IG story (think I missed a few there were so many!) RIP

For who? You? BJ? The band(s)? It was a birthday party for Tre, and they were generous enough to share it with a few lucky fans. One of my bucket list items is to be able to be at a small club show like this for Longshot, Coverups, FHT, or I could not even imagine, GD. Those there the other night got all of that wrapped up in a bow. I could not even imagine how happy I would have been to be at something like that. Everyone seems super happy on stage, and the show was fun for all involved, so I'm not sure why you find all that embarrassing... Or are you referring to the drinking aspect of it? To me the only one who gets to pass judgement on that is Billie (and/or his immediate family and friends). Unless you are Billie or someone in his close circle, Papa, I don't think it's fair to call the show embarrassing. If Billie has had a lapse in his sobriety, and he wants to be sober, then my hope is that he is able to change that for himself. I have enough people around me who have struggled with different kinds of addiction to know that I can comment, hope, pass judgement, pray, get angry, give ultimatums, etc, til the cows come home, but only the one walking that path can live their life in the way that they want to live it. Just my thoughts on the subject. Peace to you, Papa.

Happy birthday, Tre!

seems like a night full of fun!

Don't think these have been posted in here yet

We definitely need another butt pic. He has his moments during Rev Rad but he’s on a different level of sexy with this era. ❤️❤️❤️ That second pic. And the last two.

I knew what this was going to be and I clicked anyway

It shouldn't be allowed to be this beautiful

Reminiscing about the 99 Revolutions Tour (which deserves way more love) and looking at photos 10/10 defying gravity I was like "maybe I'll post a few of these" but there are so many good ones... I'll just have to COME BACK

From Billie’s story:

Few more Billie pics from Seville: Love these photos

When you get this in a Wonder Trade on Pokemon and decide to keep it because it's called Kevin (even though it's the wrong nature) When you buy a train ticket and think: Carriage 21 ("21 Guns"), Seat 86 ("86")