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This is hard to explain, so I'm going to do it in a slightly odd way... Imagine a situation (I AM NOT SAYING THE JEFF KALIE ONE) A relationship breaks down, for whatever reason, and whoever is at fault isn't known. Person 1 publicly has a go at person 2, then later apologises Person 2 is either sad at the end of the relationship, or mad at the previous incident and wants revenge, or some other unknown reason, so goes public to plead their case. Maybe this doesn't go to plan, so they create evidence believable to social media... Rename a number in their phone as person 1 and engineer a load of missed calls using said number. Send a load of messages to own phone. Screen shot and share. Neither of these would be admissable in a court of law without proof of where they came from. Let me reiterate.... I am absolutely NOT saying kalie did this. I am saying we should be careful not to get caught up in speculating and should let the professionals deal with it. I have also said that if Jeff is in the wrong, he should be held to account. That also, if Kalie is in the wrong, she should be held to account. My point all along, has been that we don't know and should not be unkind to either one of them. I said a while back that I hope they both find peace and move on. I hope this explains my point. Abuse is never OK.

I think this is reaching a bit. I highly doubt anyone at a Green Day show or in the general public is at risk because Jeff is acting unstable because his girlfriend (supposedly) cheated on him. It’s a very personal issue and I wish it could have just been left as that. I don’t get why grown adults have to air their issues on social media like this. Do either of them actually think this will make things better?

Did anyone care this much about the age gap when the relationship seemed “happy?” I know on the forum in the past it’s been a touchy subject to question age gaps, but the whole thing has seemed odd to me from the start, especially all the sexual, “my girlfriend is so hot” posts on Twitter that seemed like the shit you’d do in high school coming from a 40-year-old man. Obviously we’ll never know, but if you have to keep posting online about how great your relationship is, I just wonder how great it actually is? It’s always seemed cringey and forced to me.

Are you familiar with false equivalency? He's a public figure who chose to air this publicly and who is clearly harassing her as shown by both of their posts. He is 100% responsible for this being out in the open. He's also deleted most of his apologies. She isn't a public figure and is defending herself from what he chose to post publicly and from harassment. Harassing someone vs being harassed and making it known. People saying a 47 year old guy who is behaving in a shitty way towards a woman shouldn't be in a band that is all about empowering and respecting woman vs people sending death threats to a 24 year old with a young child. Yeah totally equal. I do agree it would be foolish to think we can take the info they've posted and know everything about their relationship and motivations from it. But it seems fair to react to publicly posted info by saying this is shitty behaviour, that's mostly what's happened here as far as I can see.

This is what I think the big point of disagreement is. Everyone has different thresholds for evidence they’ll accept. Some (most here) are ok with the evidence probably being true because there’s no major reason for it not to be. Others want more concrete evidence that cannot feasibly be falsified ( @neverdone2000 being the prime example here). The problem with posting some evidence on social media is there will always be people who want more, and there’ll always be people who don’t, and these people won’t agree. I like to see myself in a third camp: I have no reason to disbelieve the allegations that Kalie’s made, but there’s also the possibility that they are not quite what they seem (it’s so easy to doctor or cherrypick evidence from screenshots that it might not tell the whole story, even if not a lie). We should not disbelieve Kalie, who needs support at this time, not animosity. But we should also not instantly demonise Jeff for things we haven’t seen that have happened in private. In court, the defence has the chance to look at all the evidence beforehand in order to be able to explain their side. That’s because even the worst looking things can have fair explanations, and we shouldn’t pass judgement on evidence from one side that hasn’t even had the opportunity to be addressed by the other side. I absolutely agree with this. Which is why it’s problematic releasing some evidence into the public domain. For the many who’ll want more, the level they want will never be released. Not saying she’s wrong to have done it, there are many good reasons for it. But it does create problems like this one. I don’t see why the age gap matters so much. The alleged behaviour is wrong whether she’s 22 or 82. Linking vulnerability to age in a relationship between two consenting adults in the absence of other factors can create so many problems for those who are older and in similar situations, who may feel disempowered because ‘they’re older and should know better’. (Not @ you, Hermione just needed an example to quote). This is a difficult situation for all involved, whose actual real lives are being affected by this situation. This thread is public, and we should all remember that these are real people with real feelings when posting. TL;DR: We don’t know everything that has happened in private, so we should be respectful towards and supportive of Kalie, but also careful not to pass judgement too soon on Jeff.

Frankly none of this should be for the public... we don’t know the story we have Jeff’s side Kalie’s side and then there’s the truth Jeff shouldn’t have posted any of this on his social media page and neither should she if she doesn’t want contact change the number and then file a report... saying don’t feel safe at GD shows and trying to imply that Jeff is going to be a murderer cause of calling someone repeatedly well as someone who has multiple friends actually been MURDERED is highly off putting to me... Bottom line Jeff’s an douche who should move on Kalie should file a report and both need to lay off social media about all of this

He seems like a bit of a cerebral neurotic guy and the lack of closure could be driving him nuts. It’s possible he doesn’t realize the effect he’s having by trying like a lunatic to get through to her. He should realize it, but his head’s too far up his own ass and he’s only feeling his own pain right now. If he was obsessive during the relationship (she described it as toxic) I can see her wanting to walk away and cut ties like this without a word. And for Jeff I could see that being the worst thing a person could do.

i love green day, they're my favorite band

Again, what you “saw” on the one side was just some Internet postings from people you don’t even know. Nobody knows the totality of what was going on except those involved. Life isn’t black-and-white, “one person is right, one person is wrong.” If only it was that simple. I’m not saying Jeff’s actions make sense or are defensible by any means, but if he hadn’t apparently rallied fans online to harass her, and only posted about being cheated on, for example, everyone might be rushing to his defense and calling him the victim when bullying could still be happening behind the scenes. I highly doubt a nasty breakup that got aired online is going to jeopardize someone’s position as a Green Day touring guitarist most people have never heard of and it amazes me that anyone would feel personally at risk from it.

That's what Jeff did. He accused and attacked her publicly (with a ton of Green Day fans to back him up), so now she's defending herself. He made it public, her responding in public is his fault. Also a 47 year old shouldn't childishly attack someone half his age publicly and expect that she'll be so much more mature (like saint level) than him that she won't say anything back publicly. Without knowing whether it's all true or not you can't really say whether she should've said it all or not either. Like I said I agree we should take it with a grain of salt but still, it's Jeff who's created this whole problem.

I don't think anyone is saying Jeff is flawless. Just simply that we are getting part of the story, a very small part. Remember, Kalie and Jeff both shared what they wanted to share. So both of them gave us the part of the story they wanted us to see. I also truly believe that no issue is 100% one persons fault. Both of them have behaved badly by airing the end of their relationship via social media. It isn't our place to judge either of them other than the fact that this never should have gotten to this point on social media.

Of course I’m familiar with false equivalency. And I’m sure you’ve heard of social media mob justice. Did you read Signe’s post? She is assuming that everything Kalie said on that video, including that he has threatened her and her family, is true. There is no evidence of this. There is evidence that he acted like an idiot and inappropriately dragged her on social media, and recklessly called others to do the same. But assuming that he has actually stalked and threatened her based on 7 unanswered calls and a string of texts begging her to contact him, and then calling for not only his dismissal from GD but also that everyone should be “warned” about how “dangerous” he is, is ridiculous at this point. Kalie’s accusations should be taken seriously, Jeff should be banned from contacting her & face the consequences if he does, and an investigation should happen. But it is not up to us to decide if the very serious allegations she makes in that video are true. We do NOT have evidence of stalking, contacting friends and family, and threats. Yet. If the evidence emerges, then it’s a completely different situation. There is a world of difference between being an asshole (inappropriate social media posts that puts your ex at risk), and actual criminal behavior. Y’all need to get a grip until all the facts come out, if they do.

I’m loath to speculate about a relationship that’s none of my business but even when they were together, I thought Jeff’s posts about them were a bit obsessive-sounding. It sounds like she wanted to get out of it and Jeff couldn’t respect that. When a woman doesn’t answer your call or text, stop. Don’t harrass her and for fuck’s sake, don’t use your power/affiliation to a famous band to set fans on her.

Or Kalie has removed her. I've definitely been removed, and so have many others that I follow. She's also private account again now, so hopefully she can ditch all the GD fans and go back to a private life. We don't know what she did in the beginning, we don't know what he did in the beginning. We know he was wrong on twitter. We know she loves the attention she gets from her stories (of mundane everyday stuff, and there's no issue here). Jeff calling her every day, up to 7 times, isn't pleasant I agree, but it's typical 'I want you back' behaviour, and we don't know it was going to be nasty. We don't have proof of what she said about what he is doing. IF Jeff is doing these things, then, yes his position should be considered. However, he may be the victim of this latest set of stuff (not the twitter stuff, we know that!)

Jokes aside, I hope their situation gets sorted either between the two of them or in a legal way with no more online drama.

I don't want to judge either Jeff or Kaylie, like @Second favourite son said, I just want to share my experience, my thoughts and my impressions. I was in the same situation as Kaylie with my ex, who didn't harass me a week... but a year and a half, with many texts every day the first weeks, until it got up to a text every few days; all undesired, and which I never replied to, not one. Because I knew he was too heartbroken, I knew there was nothing to do about it. I had just broken up with him, didn't cheat on him. I filled a police report after the first few weeks because "I couldn't take it anymore", like Kaylie. I was angry against him. I felt compassion though, I knew he was hurt and I didn't mean to (and I didn't expect that extreme reaction) but I didn't feel like he had compassion towards me on the other hand, he kept harassing me. Luckily none of us were very social media, it was our private relationship from beginning to end, no reason to share it anywhere on internet. I ended up blocking his number and leave him to deal with his feelings, like I dealt with mine. Now, about police reports, it's true (at least in France it is) that you won't get any court for that kind of thing. And with the hindsight, that's a good thing. Jeff is not a criminal. He was probably very hurt, even more after he had shared all their romance on social media, which was not smart. But now that he stopped, it's Kaylie who shares this stuff on social media. Even private stuff like texts. Maybe it’s an overreaction after the GD fans threatened her (and these are the only really bad people in this, to stupidly threaten her because they’re GD fans and don’t understand that you are simply very hurt after being left behind). I remember that even I was feeling threatened physically, with only my ex's texts, so... I understand that, and I think she is doing this to at least feel protected. But it's also using the same way Jeff used to accuse her in the first place... and giving too much importance to all this. It doesn’t help either of them to move on. Disabling followers on her Instagram, it’s all social media war, it’s dumb. Everybody's saying Jeff is immature, maybe he is, he is most of all heart broken because he's the one who's been left, and he deserves compassion as well for that alone. Both deserve compassion. She is not acting very adult herself to continue giving a life to this on her social media. If she decides (like I did with my ex) not to respond to him, but if she does it only to post his monologue to her on social media to prove him wrong, she may want to reverse the power relation, (because supposedly he’ll get all the support for being famous… which I think is wrong given what I could read only here, she probably gets the most support overall now, among GD and non-GD fans) while the best thing to do would be to stop the social media spreading and not to give us to know anything to prove anyone right or wrong. Once again he was the one who brought it up but also the one who was initially hurt, and being a celebrity doesn't seem to play in his favor even among us GD fans, because she gets sympathy as a young non-famous woman, which is good, but not when it's made a point against him just because he is famous, and was supposedly using fame to get to her... he apologized, and the fact he deleted his apologies doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't sincere, it may also be a way of saying that he recognizes this whole affair should never had been brought up publicly, and wants to end it privately. But she's only blowing on the embers. I don't know her and perhaps all she gives us to show is real, but even then it only seems to me like a desperate, sad man (age isn’t meaningful in relationship feelings, I don’t think so) who's been left alone and feels terrible about it. Once again, maybe she does it because she still feels threatened not by Jeff himself, but by the people who directly threatened her, but if he ever sees what she's been posting, I don't think it will help him stop to text her. It took my ex one year and a half to stop while nothing happened from my part. Yeah, he contacted my friends too and I was very angry, even more since my friends seemed to pity him. But I think overall, I had the good role, I wasn’t suffering like he was. Okay, guys can be very childish when being left behind... but no, he's not a criminal, and for me, there's no way he deserves to be kicked out of Green Day for that. It's not up to us to decide that anyways.

Honestly, we shouldn't even be talking about it. Kaylie's Instagram is private therefore her posts should never have been posted here. Jeff was a dick to try and make it public in the first place, but other than that we really shouldn't be commenting on it. It's not our place to speculate or judge or make assumptions, especially when we don't know/can't be certain exactly what is happening anyway. It should be between them and the legal authorities, and I hope they get it sorted.

The information I've seen is enough for me to determine that Jeff's an annoying asshole who can't take rejection, or any responsibility for his shitty actions. Things like 'where's the evidence' despite her literally showing some is why women are too scared to report harassment or abuse.

@solongfromthestars I just listened to it with the lyrics, this thing reminds me of "Too much, too soon" and "Kill your friends". My feeling (like yours) is that it's not to be taken at the first degree, it's not an invitation to revenge and all that's write in the lyrics. Maybe music can sometimes help you fantasize about bad things you wouldn't think doing for real. But for my part, I don't really think those feeling themselves are immature, they're human, and it may be even more mature to write them down through songs. (I also don't feel the rage against Jeff that's more or less happening, I just posted something about it the Random GD news thread where it's been discussed.) For example, how is "I'm gonna make a racket, I'm gonna start a riot, I'm gonna make you crush and burn" (in Turn Me Loose) more mature? or even singing about revolution sometimes? but it's fun. And not only do I believe it's all to be taken on the second degree, but also in a self-derision way sometimes. Of course, not every one may interpret it like me, but anyways, I think it's rather positive to express what could really cross your mind (in Platypus and Ha ha you're dead for example) in songs, it's the best place for it (and I Want Revenge seems to me like one of the most sarcastic, non-serious songs on that subject). I don't think you create a desire of murdering someone because you write that and share it. Everyone feels hate towards someone once in a while, it's human. Edit: sending death threats on the internet, especially for expressing opinions, is one of the stupidest things ever... I'm sorry you had to go through that

I’m amazed it’s taken so many people this long to come to this conclusion tbh.

He responded to someone on Twitter that it was for asthma. There were a few mentions of people seeing him take oxygen or use an inhaler on the side of the stage at the Ohio shows. As for side effects, I remember people wondering if that was why he had a couple extra pounds that summer.

Wow... some of y’all really need to take a chill pill...

Above, I quoted someone saying he was behaving dangerously and everyone needed to be warned. I guess ethics will never be something everyone can agree on, but I’m not going to judge anyone (or call for their removal from their career) before knowing all the facts. I mean are we to assume all the band members’ breakups and divorces have been pleasant? It’s just not something I really think is worth speculating over, I guess, but with social media it’s inevitable. It’s just really unfortunate and I hope both of them can find some closure regarding this and whatever other issues they may be dealing with.

I so wouldn’t advise this. While there are plenty of very important medical uses for it, prednisolone can have a number of adverse effects and really shouldn’t be taken without a doctor’s approval as these need considering before it’s prescribed. I also can’t think of any mechanism via which it would get you remotely high unless you happened to be ill and need it anyway, so really the best result is that nothing happens, which doesn’t work out great in a cost-benefit analysis. That’s assuming what you bought even was prednisolone.

As friends, they should maybe reach out to Jeff and ask him to stop.

I know in one deleted tweet he said he only wants to talk to her to get an explanation and she ghosted him. If it’s a power thing, he may not be taking to being ghosted very kindly and the lack of answers is making him angry and crazy. Not a defense, just a possible explanation from his side of his behavior.

Several articles here about the New Year's Eve Party where Billie and Duff McKagan performed: http://www.alternativenation.net/green-day-guns-n-roses-supergroup-start-2019-bang/ https://www.nme.com/news/music/green-day-coverups-covers-nirvana-bowie-damned-guns-n-roses-video-setlist-2425880 https://etcanada.com/news/402276/green-day-guns-n-roses-members-perform-damned-bowie-covers-during-special-nye-show/ https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/watch-billie-joe-armstrong-and-duff-mckagan-cover-the-damned-on-new-years-eve/ https://www.altpress.com/news/billie-joe-armstrong-duff-mckagan-the-damned-cover/ Think they all possibly say kind of the same thing but here they are

It’s a song though, like writing fiction, not something he’s actually done. It’s like singing from the POV of a psycho. No different from Having A Blast, Peacemaker or Bang Bang. How did you feel about those?

If Tré and Jeff are the same person, is Ted a separate individual? Think of Charie Chaplin, Vladimir Putin and Ted Cruz at the same time.

I said pretty much that several pages ago, and much the same as the rest of your post too. Being rational about this is important. Exactly why we can't be judge or jury. Either they need to shut up and move on, or take it to the professionals and let them, with all of the evidence, decide what's what. None of us can know if either or both of them are playing games with followers on social media.

Yeah like, obviously some of the stuff should be investigated before it's all assumed true. If it is I hope she reports it and that happens. But the facts we've already seen show he's acted like a dick.

Was randomly scrolling, ended up at the GDC stats... Anyone feel we should try to fix this???

Oh absolutely. We don't know the whole story - all we know is that Jeff has harrassed his ex on social media (at least, we can give him the benefit of doubt, when it comes to the screenshots). It would have been for the best if they wouldn't air dirty laundry on social media. Then again, it's Jeff who started it and displayed some very questionable behavior so it's not surprising he's being criticized for it.

Yeah I agree that details that only come from one side should be taken with a grain of salt unless there's proof. That Jeff has dragged this in public and harassed/caused others to harass her is clear though, so I think it's fair to say he's behaved in a shitty way and is the one at fault here at this point. Or to say that someone who behaves like that, including trying to use Green Day fans to give this non famous woman half his age shit (bearing in mind the only reason people follow him/give a fuck about him is his GD connection so when he posts that's who he's talking to) probably doesn't belong in a band like Green Day. If all the other stuff is true there should be consequences but I do agree it should be investigated first. Doesn't mean we can't say his behaviour is bad before that based just on what we do know though.

I don't think he poses a threat for Green Day fans at a show and I don't think anybody intended to paint him personally as a murderer, but I have to say I understand where the thought is coming from. Do I think he would kill Kalie? No. Am I hearing stories every other day about emotional, jealous men who kill women because they have been rejected or broken up with after showing stalkerish behavior and terrorizing them online or on the phone, and trying to sabotage their relationships, as Kalie said he does? Yeah. I'm not surprised this has been brought up. And as I said, she hasn't given me, personally, a reason to mistrust her, while my trust in him is deminishingly little. The idea itself is not as crazy or unheard of at it may sound. Its a dangerous world for women out there. It's very late so idk if I'm getting my point across, so let me phrase it like this. Jeff is not a killer, I do not think he will kill Kalie, I'm not expecting it to happen, but IF it did happen, I can't say I would be surprised. I probably sound crazy but yeah. Men be killing.

Bravo. And very rational.

Really? She likes attention? (Seriously?) "We don't know what Went down?"? C'mon. We know. Something happened between them, and he decided to be an ass and use his power to get her. That is exactly what happened. This is all on him. Go Kylie. And yes, calling your ex this many times and also her friends and family is very, very, disturbing behaviour.

I am a huge fan of Green Day but I just can’t respect a decision to keep him in the band. A Green Day Show is a place where you’re supposed to feel safe and free to be yourself. I don’t want to go to a show with a guy like Jeff Matika in the band. Ignoring something like this or supporting a person like this makes you part of the problem. And the law rarely works for victims. Hopefully he will get sorted out through the legal system but with good reason I don’t trust the legal system. THIS! We found excellent replacements! Kevin for Green Day! Bill for the Longshot! (Or Mike for the Longshot! 😍) ! But no more Jeff. This wasn’t isolated. He’s been harassing and bullying her for a long time at this point and will probably get worse.

We found his replacements, needs to happen now

She does not need to post these things on social media for them to be admissible in court. What is posted on line, or private messages is admissible. There are two sides to every story, and we don't know either side. She needs to let the authorities handle this, not random people on the internet.

She's deleted her IG account now, again. Before she did, there were the screen shots shown above, and several selfie videos where she was having a go at him. Having a dig at 14 year old Brazilian girls who want to hurt her. And asking Jeff and others not to call her or her family, or anyone related to her. She shouldn't be doing this, as much as Jeff shouldn't have done it before. It's private, and neither should be involving the fans. She shouldn't be showing screen shots of their messages.

But isn't you asking Jeff to be called out on this legit harassment as well? It is a situation you are not involved with. Jeff was wrong to make this public and so is she. She needs to call the police, not post her personal messages on social media asking people to call him out. It is the same thing he did to her.

Can we have this puppy because it is seriously the cutest dog ever. It is a dusky, half golden retriever, half husky.

Haha yeah it's good ol' Karl. It might be ironic that Green Day first ruined the scene by selling out and then helped to save it thanks to their generosity until the scene welcomed them back to profit from their work again is pretty funny, but it's awesome to see it coming full circle. I just finished reading a book that claimed there's no such thing as alternative culture because all quality stuff the alternative produces eventually turns mainstream, so people from the alternative scene in fact don't fight mainstream but create it (withought realising it, which makes the alternative scene turn against the aspects of it that became popular). I didn't entirely agree with the thing but yeah, here it is. With the difference that Gilman is now aware of the fact that there's no point in fighting Green Day, inc. It's like...some kind of post-alternative that acknowledges there's no escape from the flow of the market that sometimes turns alt stuff popular while keeping a platform for independent art. It's acceptance of reality - because even Gilman needs money - but also an acknowledment of a failure of its punk politics. It's not Marx but capitalism who's having the last laugh.

just a dump of some of my favs of instagram livestream screenshots of Billie over the years I love his glasses he looks ADORABLE!! and a lil gif because he's so so perfect: ^^in light of the recent cute instagram posts of his new black hair, here's a little throwback for ya^^ ❤️❤️❤️

Speaking about Jeff, how long had it been since his last divorce? Because his graphic and boastful posts about his hot young girlfriend over the past year to me seemed like he was trying to rub it in his ex wife’s face (and also pretend to be happier than he was). If it was partly intended to make the ex jealous, that there is evidence that the dude has serious issues with rejection and is a serial harasser.

Certainly my favourite album/surprise to come out of 2018.

Nah, it's not. He is an asshole and of course it should be said. He stepped over the line. Does that mean he is a danger to me? You? Green Day fans in general? Of course not, we don't know him or will hardly ever meet him, hopefully, but - that's not the issue. But when it comes to image in general... this bullshit behaviour doesn't fly anymore. Kick him out. And please, HE aired it. She responded. HE is responsible. C'mon.

Hey someone tell Kevin Preston there may be an opening soon 😜