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I had a total cello moment yesterday Feeling like a cello is just so cool, I don't know how we ever did without the definition of this exact feeling. It should be included in a dictionary.

Feeling like a cello: in my opinion it literally means "experience a wide range of feelings". You know, the cello has a great extension in term of notes. It goes to C2 to G5 if I remember well. So it is like "you can experience everything, from bad feelings (low notes) to orgasms (high notes), but all this at the same time". It's incredible. I hope it's crazy enough to be a "feeling like a cello" explanation.

I agree that there are many people who aren't taking Green Day's politics seriously, but support for them speaking out does, in fact, extend beyond this site. I've see so many people online applaud them who say they aren't even fans of their music. I personally know people who respect what they did and don't normally listen to them. Haters are loud, no matter what you're discussing. But Green Day also got a huge outpouring of support and respect for what they did. I'm not saying this wearing rose-colored glasses–I'm very aware of how they come off to outsiders, and not just in this instance. Art is innately political. I think expecting artists to stop talking politics and just focus on the music is an oxymoron, particularly when songs like Holiday, Warning, and Say Goodbye sit in their catalog. As for them milking the election for better album sales...I can't speak to why they're focusing on Trump so much, because I have no way of knowing their true intentions. But I will say that liberal-leaning people who care about political and social issues to begin with have been shaken to the core by this election. It's a very genuine reaction to be angry and confused and afraid for many of us. For many, it really does feel that grim and scary right now. Knowing the band's political views, I truly believe they've been hit just as hard by this as regular people like me who also want to continue the conversation about what's going on in the country. If I believed this band took hollow political stances for more fame and money, they sure as hell wouldn't be my favorite band.

Here's my take on that trajectory from 21CB to the Trilogy to now: With 21CB, they clearly wanted to beat AI (and pretty much said so themselves), so they went heavier, darker, and more political. Personally I adore 21CB, but a lot of folks saw it as riding on the coattails of AI. Which is perhaps a fair assessment. After 21CB, things felt so serious all the time, and I don't think the band liked who they were becoming. They started to become known as the elder statesman of their genre, and didn't want to be taken so seriously all the time. In many ways, they don't care what people think. They'll write about what they want whether it's popular or not, will make a Broadway musical whether it's the "cool" thing to do or not. But people's perceptions of them was always something that I think really got to them. In the shadow of AI, I think they became extremely self-conscious. So in the wake of all that seriousness, they let loose, and went way in the opposite direction. After AI, it seemed like they'd matured a lot personally, but in an effort to hang on to what they used to be known for, it's like they did a complete 180 for the worse. Whatever your feelings are on the trilogy itself, it's clear that the band was totally falling apart at that point. Post AI, they very quietly spiraled out of control, and it's not a hard downward spiral to map out. But after everything they went through—not just Billie, but Britt and Jason's battles with cancer, too—it's like they finally gained some perspective and refocused on what they slowly but surely lost sight of. They refocused on their friendship and on making music that matters to them. Not overly forced in one direction or the other like 21CB or the Trilogy, but creating music about a mix of everything they care about: Personal struggles/accomplishments, and sociopolitical concerns. They found that sweet spot, and in the process, seem like they're themselves again, totally settled and happy with the image they're projecting. I don't think making a more political album again was a response to the Trilogy's commercial failures. I think it was a lot more about simply zeroing in on a select few things they wanted to write about, rather than writing a whole lot about nothing. Now, I see a band not feeling pressured to be anything but themselves. They don't need to outdo themselves or change themselves, but just go with what feels right. And it feels authentic. Clearly, they care about politics—the punk scene is by nature political, and the people who decided to make American Idiot are clearly not apathetic to the world around them. By getting involved in politics again now, they're just continuing the way they've felt for a long time, just like many regular people are. I've been generally happy with the state of politics the past eight years, barring some major social issues that bother me (and that they also reference in RevRad, like police brutality and BLM). But now the world has been flipped upside down, and it feels like the entire Obama legacy is about to go down the drain. That scares and upsets me, and it has prompted me to stand up and help fight for what I believe in. Seems like they feel the same way. It seems like the same thing as the AI era because it is the same thing—Trump stirs the same fears that Bush did, but he's even worse. I guess what I'm saying is that the concerns they're voicing now are very human, and come from a very emotional place. For someone invested in politics, someone who is left-leaning, it's very hard to keep quiet right now. I'd be shocked if they didn't want to talk about it. I will say that their management very obviously doesn't want them to talk about it as much as they have—in a recent interview, the journalist said Green Day's management instructed him not to bring up the election, because Billie wouldn't want to discuss it. That was total bullshit—Billie was relieved to be able to talk about it with someone. So clearly, it's a much more personal issue than it is a business decision. I think their management and PR's lives would be a hell of a lot easier if they just shut up about it.

I don't really know why people expect Green Day to suddenly stop talking about politics. They are a political band and obviously, people care about their opinion otherwise there wouldn't have been that many interviews about the election. I think it would be as if Bono suddenly anounced that he doesn't care about politics anymore. It would seem forced and a lot less authentic than if they keep doing what they've done for years.

You're wrong to begin with, as I've had friends who aren't fans and even my grandma praise them for taking a stand, and I don't think you're going to elicit a proper discussion from people if you start out by dismissing them as fangirls/boys. That's condescending as hell and I think you're aware of it. I don't see why it makes any difference whether people are taking them seriously with their "political shit" because ultimately it matters whether they are treating it seriously themselves (which they are). I honestly have no idea where people get off acting as though all of this is contrived and calculated only since Trump was elected. Did you people sleep through songs like Minority, Warning, Holiday, American Eulogy? Billie has been critical of Trump for years Let's not be so idiotic as to accuse him of jumping on a bandwagon, Christ. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously for that accusation. Perhaps you should pay better attention.

The thing is people were going to bring up American Idiot whether Green Day addressed Trump or not. Because the situation is like Bush all over again, except even worse. If Green Day felt compelled to speak out 12 years ago, why would that change? Sure, it's convenient publicity wise because they're the "political band" thanks to AI's huge success, but unfortunately that means any stand they take against Trump has the risk of looking disingenuous. but we know what Billie's stance on Trump has been for ages so it's not like they're jumping on any bandwagon. I'm not sure if those in a position of privilege understand how terrified Trump in power is making a lot of people. What Green Day did was show their support for those people using their privilege, and that's why people are applauding them. It's definitely not all hate. I'm not sure what circles you have to be in to see a majority of negativity but my Facebook and twitter was mostly positive. And if you're REALLY gonna drag Green Day for yelling 'No KKK' then maybe you need to look at yourself.

I'll start by telling you that I'm not here to attack you, but I've seen many of your posts and I feel like you're trying to make everyone believe that what he's doing is wrong. There are people that agree with you, you're not alone, but why do we all have to agree?! Obviously I don't blindly follow them and agree with everything they say because I'm a "fangirl", I don't agree with Billie or Green Day on things they've been singing about for years, but I don't think they should stop. Simply, they can sing about what they want and if I don't want to hear it, I should stop listening to their songs (if you want examples I'm happy to give them to you). I see your point and other people's points about how he might come off as trying to hit the headline news and sell more records, but they wrote these songs way before Trump was elected, and some are political, they didn't put it out as something else then tried to sell it off as political, it was political to some extent from the start. Okay it's been 12 years since American Idiot and they're still singing about politics, but they had the Trilogy - which I think I've seen you saying that you were disappointed by it- and they had all sort of different music and different topics, and still people complained about it. I don't know man, some people keep looking at their old records and insisting that they want stuff like that to come back, but what if it doesn't?! Maybe it's time to find another band that you like?! Don't get me wrong, I love their old records, my all time favorite album is Insomniac, but I can't keep waiting for them to make something similar to that again, as much as I hate to say it but people move on. If he ever felt like he's in that place again, I'm sure he'll write something like it again, it's all about how he's feeling at the time. I don't feel that Billie can force lyrics that he doesn't feel or doesn't believe in for the sake of selling albums, that's the difference between what other people think and what Green Day fans think, we know Billie and we know he can't say something he doesn't firmly believe in, that what shows us that he's not doing this to sell more records, they're way past that. I think this is my longest reply ever, I'm not a talkative person so I hope that I make sense in this, and it's not just words flying around.

I keep reading that the AMA people didn't know about the chant—that it was something they decided on shortly before the show, so they weren't really withholding information but they didn't give notice either. IDK how true it is, but if it is true, I love it. I understand the above arguments, but here's why I think what they did actually was brave: How many other popular artists are gutsy enough to state their political opinion, let alone let it be known on national television? They don't care about the hate, and it's mostly not coming from their fans, but it's still hate nonetheless. Most artists in their position wouldn't dream of compromising any popularity in favor of speaking out. Among the celebrity crowd and among their fans, Green Day's opinion is the popular one. But they live in a country that voted otherwise, so yeah, it's still brave. I'd think it strange if they were anti-Trump pre-election and then just went silent after he was elected. That's not them.

That's what I'm trying to accomplish. (Seriously, this needs an urban dictionary entry.)

It seems like they're doing the same thing again because the same (or very similar) thing has happened and they haven't changed their views, so naturally they're reacting the same way . They can't help it if the same shit happens again, feeling the way they feel to not react to it would be unnatural and false. I'd say popular, Tre and Uno have a fairly even split on favourite I think and Tre wins on being called best because it's the more serious of the two. Thinking Dos is the best (as I do) is definitely the most unpopular

Is Green Day still in the Facebook trending topics because they're actually still trending or because Facebook just knows I like them? They were gone for a bit but they're back again.

What's your definition of best. I met tre - he was just how I thought but I stood next to BJ & he was just as I thought😬

Cmon give me a break👑 😇 I don't watch it - that's when I tinkle 🙃😛

You guys are such Debbie downers, geeze. Why is one song such a big deal? I understand everyone has their favourites and least favourites, but it seems like such a drag to focus so much on negativity Perhaps if you didn't watch so many videos of the same song online, you wouldn't feel this animosity towards the idea of actually experiencing it live for yourself.

I'm sure you've noticed the semi-automatic firearm discharge that was played over the last chorus...this was eerily similar to what can be heard in the Bartaclan videos (for example, the CNN video of when the gunfire began). Super chilling and unsettling. Did anyone else notice this? Chilling, and also artistically a very poignant placement of effects if this was intentional. Going back a little on this thread, I am in the moderate camp politically and am somewhat skeptical but not overly distraught over Trump. In other words, I think he sucks but it's not the end of the world. And I also don't completely agree with Green Day politically, but I absolutely love what they did at the AMA performance. I love that they speak their mind, that they're so passionate about this cause. Even when it's something I completely disagree with I still totally respect and love that they voice their opinons so strongly. It's what makes our country great. I don't understand the mindset of the people criticizing them regardless of political beliefs- agree or disagree on issues, we should all be thrilled that we have the ability to express our thoughts and have the freedom of speech. There's nothing more American than that.

Green Day is the band we deserve and need right now http://mashable.com/2016/11/21/we-need-green-day/#P3MlolauZkqR

^ @MMwhatsername Honestly, yesterday morning I woke up worried about them for the very reasons you stated. People can be really scary, particularly when you're talking about stuff like gun rights and the KKK. I admire their bravery in speaking out about stuff like this, but it also makes me a bit nervous. That's why I really don't want to discredit anything they do publicly to support their political views—it's not without risk.

I agree, it's very brave in many ways, not only morally. Right-wing-powers - and also right-wing-violence - is on the rise and you can never tell if there are some people amongst a crowd of haters who are actually willing to become violent. And when you're famous and speak out the way GD does, you always become a target for (potentially violent) haters. And with the crazy gun culture and weapon law in the USA - which surely won't get better with a President Trump - it's really brave as hell to stand in the spotlight and still hold on to your opinion the way they do. Sometimes when I think about this I get worried about them. But at the same time, my respect for those three guys grows bigger and bigger (if that is even possible). I am so proud to call myself a GD fan in these troubled times.

I think Billie was having problems before the Trilogy, I think his time in New York from the Musical probably contributed, this might have been said before, I maybe totally wrong but it seemed to me he was letting out so many demons back then, he seemed to be partying pretty hard with the Cast, people around, I remember he said he finally found friends but with this also comes lots of destruction and hangers on because of who he is, It must be hard for him to not trust people and let them into his life, for any famous person it can be very isolating. I do wonder if he has an addictive personality so whatever it is he gets hooked on it eventually drags him down. I think the Trilogy (and I also have mixed feelings about it) got him through from whatever it was to now, I am glad it happened, he's lucky he has his talent and has this avenue to explore every single part of who he is and he can get things out of him, I am glad he is not afraid to share it with us, one of his most endearing qualities is his obvious vulnerability. he's human he shares it with us warts and all and for that I will always be thankful he went through the Trilogy. Probably just put this in the wrong thread haha x

I listened to Bang Bang right before Lazy Bones (one of my favourites from the trilogy) and it was a stark contrast in sound - I dunno if it was my earphones but the guitars in Lazy Bones sounded like they were being played inside a tin can i really liked the trilogy when it came out but hearing RevRad made it more obvious to me that the Trilogy wasn't their best work.

Honestly, Brutal Love and Drama Queen are my absolute favourites off the entire Trilogy, so even if I happen to enjoy more songs off Uno and Dos, that factor alone pushes Tre above the others. Because as much as I might enjoy those other songs, I can take them or leave them, but you're prying Brutal Love/Drama Queen out of my cold dead hands.

I'm kinda split on Uno and Tre being the best of the Trilogy. I love how cohesive Uno is—it's quick and upbeat and fun. But Tre has Brutal Love. Brutal Love elevates everything around it because it's a damn masterpiece. It's weird, because I think the most listened to songs from the Trilogy for me are mostly off of Dos, actually. Maybe IDK what I'm talking about.

They didn't 'turn to politics' again. They never stopped. Trilogy albums weren't political for the most part because Obama was in office and he's actually not a racist idiot. They hate Trump because he's hateful. Sure it feels like history repeating itself but that's not because of Green Day, the situation last time was similar as well. But this time the threat is greater so of course they're going to talk about it. Wretched & Devine's post with Billie's tweets go back to 2011, that was her point - that it's not a new thing to try and get relevance. If people are going to accuse them of trying to stay relevant for doing something they'd do anyway, just because American Idiot happened to be a huge hit, then they can't win. I agree....except for the Youngblood part Yes, I feel like that too. I also think the Nimrod/Warning love songs are more than just trying to woo someone, which is probably why I like them more.

Well in this post while we still disagree on some things you don't come off as you did in your other posts so yeah it probably was me using the world fanboys or girls. So I'll agree with you on that It's just one song though they didn't really talk about politics during trilogy. And my argument isn't really about the music. As I said revrad doesn't feel forced to me and I like that album. What I don't like are the interviews and the live shows statements.

I agree with everything you said other than the LNOE part, I love that song. I think for me, sometimes Billie writes songs that come off, to me, as he is just throwing out cliques to try and impress someone, not necessarily to mean them. There seems to be real passion in songs like Worry Rock or Scattered or Church on Sunday, as opposed to WIT that to me just comes across as a whiney boy.

Hmm, it might be something to do with the traditional love songs then! Because I do love WICA and Worry Rock and Scattered as well. The ones I'm not keen on include When It's Time, Last Night On Earth (sorry! ), Youngblood, and most of the songs on 1039SOSH, lol. I adore Brutal Love though. Not sure if it's traditional because it's not really about traditional love....hence the name I guess, Brutal Love The music is a bit slow for me sometimes When It's Time has the unfortunate combination of cringey lyrics and cringey instrumentals (those tambourines...lol!)

Agree & church on Sunday.

Even WICA? I don't think there is a more perfect song Worry Rock is also brilliant. I think Billie's strength might be in writing unconventional love songs, since the only really "traditional" one I can think of that I adore is Last Night On Earth. Unless we consider Brutal Love a traditional love song?

Let me break this down for you. By beginning in a condescending tone and dismissing anyone who agrees with Green Day as a fanboy/girl, you are already going to make people get defensive because you've already decided their opinions aren't worth hearing "because pfff, stupid fangirls ". You explicitly said "apart from here no one is taking green day seriously anymore on their political shit" which is a sweeping statement which I know for a fact to be untrue and stated exactly why that is so. And then you accused them of jumping on a Trump-hating bandwagon post-election, very conveniently ignoring tweets from Billie's account dated before Obama had even been elected for his second term. Thus it is pretty damn clear to me that you're not interested in listening to why your opinion, while valid, might not be entirely based on facts.

It is true, you've said the same stuff before and the same people have replied to you and you've dismissed them because they didn't agree with you. I know, I've read the whole thread. It's not about insulting the band, oh my god. It's about you not understanding that the guys aren't attacking Trump because it's cool to do so, they're doing it because, like everyone else who has been protesting, it's about the fact that a fascist will be in power soon. And it doesn't affect those with white male privilege so much, but it will everyone else. If you're still not understanding that and dismissing everyone as 'fangirls' then I don't know what to say to you.

Sorry, but I think that it's not about getting likes, but about the expression the people make if they agree. You get likes also if somebody agrees with you, so please don't be so negative all the time, this doesn't have to be a war, only because the people have different views than you.

I am thinking I will do a 10,000 post spam thread - RENAME TINKLE. wow off topic. if I was famous I would use the platform to voice my opinion. Disagree - brutal love sets the tone of the regret in tre (the album)

It's not hard, just add a full stop at the end and suddenly you're very calm and very serious (it's a ruse though)

Me too. This. Brutal Love is a natural closer.

I thought she meant the album ¡Tré!... But Dos is definitely the best

Is it a popular or unpopular opinion that Tre is the best of the three?

GDC User Wretched & Divine bringing those receipts! 👏

And every other song isn't the same thing every time (ooh look they're just playing the song, ooh look they're bringing someone on stage to sing etc)? @Tinkle just loves to hate it haha

I get what you mean, but for several reasons I think the band is stating their views not because it's safe for them to jump on this hate train, because as you said many people don't even take them seriously and hate them for doing that. And I just want to point out to you that my reasons are way beyond than being a fangirl. It's not really nice from you to call people like that even if you don't agree with their opinions. I will try to explain my reasons. It'll be hard for me cuz I'm not good at expresing my thoughts with words that much, so please excuse my post if it sounds somehow weird. As a person who is interested in "how to read people's mind" - the mentalism, facial expressions and body language in general, the use of words, intonation etc. I "read" the band's expression as natural and not fake or constructed for popularity - which is bullshit IMHO cuz it clearly doesn't work as you said before. I really don't care how many fans this band has, it has nothing to do with me. And fuck the popularity. That night during the AMA performance, the camera was mostly on BJ's face so I'll mostly talk about him obviously. I'm going to see the video and write down the time here that you can have more clear idea what I'm reffering to exactly. And that's not really comfortable for me to talk about them like this. At the mark of 0:12 you can see Mike's face saying that he know's he's going to do something "controversial". He's little bit excited and afraid at the same time. At 0:25 he express his excitement but also finds self-confidence in what is he going to do, and clearly stands behind his believes. At 0:42-43 you can see behind BJ's eyes that he has his doubts about people's reactions to him. It lasts until 1:10, he's staring for several seconds at one place then another one, and you can see he's got his inner dialogue. After the first verse nervosity and excitement takes place, because he had managed to get through the first verse,and his eyes are more distracted now. At 1:32 starts another part with doubts and inner dialogue. Until 1:40 where he's making his first eye contact with the crowd out of his inner thoughts. He raises his eyebrows a little bit, so that means he's showing his honesty and that he's persuaded about what he's doing is right. Around 1:50 he's looking for the reaction from the crowd and at 1:53 he's expressing his honesty again and again at the 1:55 his doubts again and at 1:57 honesty again. At 2:05 you can feel the nervosity mostly again. At 2:10 he knows the next thing he's going to do would be hard to do so he's gathering his courage by his facial expression (it works both ways - for example if you want to gain self-confidence stand straight, make sure your feet make open angle and your body feels strong, etc.) At 2:19 you can see he's moving the arms out of the guitar and let them along his body which represents his courage and mostly his honesty again. At 2:25 his look turns to left to find some understanding in the audience. The most important part is at 1:33 where his eyes opens up and this is Billie Joe when he is completely in the moment and his facial muscles unfreeze, which is really hard to do in front of so many people you've never met before and probably nobody is able to do it consciously. So that means his inner self is making its way out. At 3:12 he makes that little move with the eyebrows when he is trying to find another reaction. I'll jump at the end to 3:41 and to be honest you can hardly do this face if you don't have the right feelings, this can't be made up because some facial muscles you can't use consciously or it's really hard to if you're not working really hard on that. The eyes always say everything. I hope my post won't kill anybody, it really was a hard job I might make some mistakes and I'm not saying I'm right I just gave you the reasons why I don't think this was fake or for making their new record sell better. You wanted discussion, here I am.

it could be just maturity, though. i would even love them to go back to 'warning', but i don't think it'll happen. it bums me out that interviewers feel the need to egg him/them on about the election, and i think that is mainly because AI was so huge and pretty much the whole world knows how they feel about politics. social media has definitely not helped, because he has been bashing trump non-stop on IG. that was not around when AI was released, so i think that makes even more of an impact. bring back 2004. haha.

i agree (to some extent). i agree with the part about it being 12 years later, and doing the same shit as back then isn't cool. i'm a bit over it, too. they've done that already, and obviously it was successful - it doesn't need to happen again. obviously, i still think they have every right to express themselves and they shouldn't be forced to be silenced. BUT in saying that, i really hope they don't drag this on. the chants were enough on the AMA's, and i honestly think they've made their point and they don't need to prove themselves anymore on how much they hate trump. i also think that those interviews with billie speaking only about the election didn't help, because they were literally all over my FB feed, etc. so i can't help but think the casual green day fan would have been way over it if i'm feeling that way. i think they need to move on now and just focus on the album and the tour. they don't need to make any more of a statement than they already have.

I'm trying to find something specific in my twitter history and I just found this. Which... well... I don't even know

That's kind of confusing and I'm trying to make sense of it. I love Still Breathing but not a huge fan of When It's Time. I love BOBD but not 21 Guns. I love Lady Gaga but I also love the Ramones. So where do I fit? Or here's an idea: People can be a fan of Top 40 music AND be a fan of Green Day without specifically wanting them to 'be a pop band'. Just because people love the lighter stuff doesn't mean they can't also like the heavier stuff.

Usually, my daughter (she's 2.5) likes to tease me by saying Green Day is "yucky" because she knows I pretend to get upset. The other day we were in the kitchen baking a cake for my mom's birthday and I said "I think we need some music to listen to, don't you? What should we listen to?" She thought for a moment and replied, "Deen Day, maybe?" Haha maybe YES baby girl Proud parent moment right there!

This is not true at all. I love when it's time and still breathing. my favourite album is Insomniac and I love heavy music.

Hmm not for me. For me their super sappy love songs are a special case, I like them because it's cute to hear Billie's sappy teenage thoughts on love and it's impressive that he's willing to show them so openly, so it's kind of a nostalgia thing with the old love songs and when he harks back to them on sappier new songs. I don't really associate them with their most top 40 friendly songs (they still show emotions but don't tend to be quite so sappy), which I usually like but not especially. But in both cases it's more the baring of emotions that's impressive than the pop sound. Plus I don't think it's necessarily about really liking a punk sound or a pop sound. Ever since they started they blended pop with punk and for me it's both elements together that give them their appeal, the punk sound and attitude is cool but the pop elements that they weren't afraid to add to it make them a much more interesting band. And likewise if they'd gone for only pop they wouldn't be nearly as interesting either. Both elements are important.

I think a majority think it's not that great and just a very vocal minority hate it . When it came out most people said they liked it, I think most people like at least some of it but just don't think it's their best work. I still love it (in case anyone was wondering ), Rev Rad only makes me like it more because it really falls into place being this crazy mid life crisis journey before the (literally ) more sober album.

Back story - at the end of the Australian tour of the 21CB tour, Green Day decided to prank their support act, like they always do, with strippers. During KFAD they decided to get pay back and and bring the strippers back out on stage.

Thank you for both of your input! I've now informed Santa I would like a bass for Christmas In large part thanks to Mike/WICA, but I probably would've swayed towards guitar without the nudge in the other direction