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I absolutely love this conversation as Baby Eyes is one of my favorites off of Dos. The Arab Spring refers to the Middle East uprising in 2012 that occurred as a youth led and largely social media rebellion against the tyrannical ruling parties in power at the time. The cherub reference is very well placed as a cherub is a Christian-Anglo reference to a young, sweet, and unblemished angel. The juxtaposition says it all. Awesome song, and great testament (pun fully intended) to Billie's lyrical abilities.

21 Guns is better without the falsetto anyway.

Putting in my two-cents about the 21stCB demo: I like it more than the album version and I will never let it go. I remember being completely heartbroken when the album came out and the song was changed. I guess I just didn't understand at the time what demo meant, but the lyrics are twice as good compared to what they released. The vocals were spot on too. That album version is weak in comparison. fucking ace man.

The Arab Spring was a series of demonstrations and civil wars in various Arab countries that began in 2010. So, I always interpreted that line ot mean something like an innocent that ends up getting hurt in a situation. It seems to fit the song.

My jimmies have been properly rustled by this post.

Love these interpretations! Feel like I have a much better understanding of the song now. I bet he waited for years until he found himself with a song he could add the phrase "my middle name is danger" to . He's so proud of himself for giving him that middle name and loves to mention it, even though the song isn't about Jakob I'm sure that phrase is there as a little embarrassing dad shout out to him.

This is probably looking way too far into it, but the original Cherubim were the guardians of the Tree of Life and the throne of God, so it could be that he's saying he looks like a pure, holy innocent but is in fact very dangerous if you do something wrong.

I just like his cool, understated nature. He seems to be happy to stay in the background a little and let everyone else fuss. I guess I like that cos I'm a bit like that. But I think White deserves a bit more of the limelight, which is why he shouldn't be drowned out.

You can't, I think RS made a mistake

I think it's just the highest falsetto he's done? I can't think of a time he's sung higher, and 21st CB was the first time he'd really tried to do falsetto aside from maybe on some Foxboro songs so it must've been a challenge. If I recall right he mostly attempted it near the beginning of the tour/when they first started playing it live and tended to do it less later, I guess it's just difficult (although I love him doing it perfect or not ). Even though it was quite late in the setlist I don't think that would've affected his ability much since as Ceadog mentions he's skipped it even when it's the only song he's singing, and also since he's able to do stuff like hanging on a strong "hey oh" for 30 seconds near the end of shows too, and I've just never really noticed his voice get much weaker as shows go on in general.

Wow Iva, thanks for the many awesome scans!

My interpretation of it is that it's mostly babble.

The song is on Dos. 'nuff said.

Are you ill?

He's a great guitar player, singer and songwriter and his personality and understated performance style on stage is badass, and I'm a fan of his contributions to several excellent bands. Some people here might say they "love" him ironically now but that's just a silly new fad, some of us really love him Yeah I like that, he's there to play the music and isn't bothered about getting the attention on himself which is refreshing. But you can still see how much he enjoys playing which is really cool, and it means when he does do something extra to entertain it seems more special. Like when my sister and I were being silly waving at him during a show and he gave us a cool nod of acknowledgement it was great , or when we noticed him hip thrusting during St Jimmy once or doing a belly dance at the Foxboro show lol, or just when he does the awesome frantic guitar playing at the end of BOBD. I really enjoy watching him live, he's entertaining in his own subtle way and I'm equally happy to be on his side as Mike's.

Postmodern life is rubbish. Why can't we like him without irony?

the WhiteTim emoticon would be appropriate too

Graham is right though, Jason does nothing special. People on here just "love" him because its ironic

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i I wish them luck in that quest, that's a lot more than you'd think

Yeah I know, but for people who just really want to own every record that Green Day has been on ever, I think it's nice. I've paid $25 for total shit records in-store, at least this is kind of cool.

There's a bunch on discogs, not worth that much.

It's a lot to do live, he proves he can do it at the end of the AAF version. But the live version is less soft, has more of a hard edge with the amped up guitars. So that great full-voice note he keeps hitting fits with the live version better, imo

You were probably best off up there then, especially for the view of the band and also to be able to see the spectacle of the huge number of people there. A friend of mine was right up in the VIP area and had an amazing time, I think it was one of those shows that was great wherever you were!

I was at Wembley Stadium too, in the pit. Funnily enough it was the most pleasant pit I've been in at a Green Day show, it was boisterous but everyone was so cheerful, there was no nastiness or people shoving in front of me at all (whereas at the smaller Brixton and Shepherds Bush shows people were more competitive to get a good spot) and everyone just jumped around and squashed against each other without resentment. The camaraderie and extremely nice atmosphere is probably the thing that stood out to me most about that show, the band seemed super happy as well and it was great.

I must say I completely agree with this, a hybrid like that would be perfect. As it is I'm just glad we have both versions because there's really cool things about both.

That sucks! Luckily, I realized it the second I started to learn 2000 LYA.

I learned all of No One Knows only to realize I was off by half a step

Sure thing! Give me some time, though. My internet sucks.

They are called "Karrub". That's close enough, imho. It doesn't make a difference anyway. There's a link between Cherub and the other metaphores (something goes wrong and dangerous) but I'm puzzled by the Arab Spring...even that makes sense though. The Arab Spring started as something positive - then went wrong and violent. This means than Billie is either capable of coming up with something so complex or babbling so well that Dos starts making sense only after a midnight Bible, Tora, Coran and Wikipedia reading. Remarkable.

Will you send those to me?

I'm officially bored with this hiatus. They need to do something.

Well, I think he is looking upon himself as an innocent because she is making him do these things. A bullet isn't dangerous unless someone pulls a trigger, the motor can't cause a crash unless someone drives the car, the cherub in the arab spring is a baby in a fight. The shooting star one, that one confuses me more than the others.

CBGB: 10 Classic Moments That Helped Define the Birthplace of Punk 6. Green Day “Longview” (2000) What’s bigger than Green Day playing their debut single “Longview” at CBGB, is the fact that apparently they weren’t scheduled to perform that night. “When all else fails, pull out the hits,” Billie Joe joked. And a hit it was. The song that describes intense boredom peaked at No. 1 on the June 11, 1994 Alternative Songs chart. http://www.billboard.com/articles/6414266/cbgb-10-classic-moments

It was fucking incredible. When they came on and started 99 Revs, there was this woman where I was that just started flailing and pushing everyone and everyone around me got pissed off, but after that, it wasn't as dangerous, just mindblowingly fun.

Metal Hammer, February 1998

I'm pretty ambivalent on 21 Guns live performances, don't prefer the 21st Century Breakdown demo and I don't think I prefer the Static Age live sax solo.

What the fuck happened in here?! Anyway yes 21 Guns is decent but doesn't have much replay value. However, it's one of the best live experiences ever.

I think we all need to chill out

Maybe someone really likes music to relax/meditate to , I wouldn't judge! Well the thread would be boring if we didn't discuss each other's opinions . Nothing wrong with disliking the song yourself but judging other people as less deserving fans for liking it seems a bit silly.

Unless your favourite song is Last Ride In. Then we can judge you

Sorry but this is ridiculous. It's a Green Day song (and clearly one of the band's favourites since they chose to release it as a single and they play it live so much), no less valid to have as a favourite than any of their songs.

I have to listen to AI and 21stCB all the way through, or not at all. While Nimrod is definitely my favorite album, I like to skip songs lately. I think Insomniac is a good one to play end to end because that snotty vibe is really addictive.

Metal Hammer, November 1997

It's not their fault if AI worked well. 21cb, I can understand because of the copy-paste of AI and the overproduction, but AI, it's..... I find it very ambitious and well written and... And I love every song from it. It's the first time I hear this (unpopular) opinion

That three note lead guitar run in the chorus of 21 Guns is the most annoying thing they've ever done.