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Anyone who says Jesus of Suburbia isn't a masterpiece is a fucking idiot.

Since the trilogy has come back around again, I'll say this: The trilogy failed to accomplish anything significant for Green Day's catalog. It aimed to be a stripped down anti-thesis of the AI/21CB era, but all it gave us was a miserably produced, mid-life crisis induced, bloated, mess. If they aimed to return to their pre-AI sensibilities, then one would expect their to be a few obvious characterstics that defined their pre-AI catalog: Mike-Billie harmonies Emphasis on rhythm (basslines, drums) Witty, introspective lyrics those are a few indisputable characteristics of their pre-AI work. The trilogy didn't hit on any of those things. The lyrics read like a child at times and a horny, sexually repressed 50 year old at others. The vocal filter took away Billie's snarl, the harmonies were non-existent, and Tre and Mike might as well have stayed home. I've been saying a version of this since it came out, but I figured I'd reiterate my opinion on it, for new trilogy sympathizers

No, NimJim is just desperately grasping at straws as he tries to make an argument about Billie not being a good judge of his own songwriting.

Remember that guy who said Sweet 16 was better? Fuck.

Yes a country that may be powerful however is in very serious debt to China so successful how is 18 trillion in debt to China makes us successful? Plus the racism and sexism we have in America yeah very successful

No matter what's the question Be it weird, crazy or odd They answer with exhilaration the apprentice and the mod

For a great version of Stray Heart just listen to Mother Mary

He was referring to making AI specifically as a normal record. Feel free to keep grasping at straws.

Whose biggest influences include the Buzzcocks, the Clash, and the Who.

Allow me to put my mod cap back on and tell you all to shut the fuck up and talk about Green Day.

Conjecture, conjecture, etc. snooze I doubt they hate their fans, actually, I know they don't. And if you don't think all fan bases have conflicting opinions then you're mistaken

Kind of just threw a number out there, honestly The point remains Obviously they didn't explicitly state that, but that was what it appeared to be. An attempt to recapture an older-stripped down sound. My point is really that even if they weren't aiming to make it sound like old Green Day, they weren't advancing their sound either. To me, that's what makes it a failure. They didn't move forward with their sound, they went backwards. If they are going to go back, I expected them to do at least some of what made them so good in the past. Also I'm pretty positive everyone's joking when we view someone changing their opinion of the trilogy as a victory*. We have our points, we throw them out there. If people change their opinion based on that then so be it. They can get joy out of better music *

You didn't grow out of it you were a sheep and let Z J C Dawg and Graham talk you into hating it lol

Just listened to "Dry Ice"... *sobs* 1,309/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours has some of the best love songs Green Day has ever written.

OMG :lol:

This thread should be re-named "ask your green day questions and Hermione will answer them". <3 Kind of like "Dear Abby" but all GD-related lol

I think I've just burst into flames. Send help.

I am struggling to think of any song ever written that is better than JOS & its not even my favourite GD song.

*shudders at the thought of Sweet 16 being better than JOS*

Remember? The dude haunts my dreams I'll get him one day man One day

* Dos front cover

Billie's been cracking into the Advent Calendar behind him

Schott’s Rock ‘n’ Roll Debut What could be more rock ‘n’ roll than a leather jacket? (OK, maybe a Fender guitar.) Schott NYC makes leather jackets which were worn by Marlon Brando, The Ramones, and a long list of other stylish malcontents. Schott produced a Dec. 3 debut party for its first West Coast boutique, located at the Americana at Brand retail center in Glendale, Calif. In attendance were rockers Tre Cool from Green Day, his wife Sara Rose, Damien Fahey, a former MTV VJ, and Maejor, a music producer and performer. Yowza! http://www.apparelnews.net/news/2014/dec/04/schotts-rock-n-roll-debut/

You're brilliant Sauli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Q5gTvYrl8 Not even music, but:

Beat me to it. Funny though the interview talks about him writing it practically chronologically - is homecoming the exception.

Billie has a sucky taste in music, we already knew that. "99 revs is the best song I've ever written."

Also The Cranberries. They are important.

Yeah ok.

LMAO yeah i nearly got my ass kicked for talking shit about U2 to a guy who turned out to be from Ireland treated them like they were the high power and such

I think you're missing the point. It is very possible to advance their sound without losing what makes them good. In this case, they could have easily captured the retro sixties rock sound without abandoning what made their stripped down sound good. Similarly, they expanded their sound from AI to 21CB but maintained their incredible harmonies and melody making. It's not a hard concept to grasp, I think you're just trying to be difficult.

"Everyone who posts their opinion on the internet is the same person and therefore self-contradictory." #DookieLukieLogic As much as I would like them to do something new, I'd take something good that sounds like stuff they've done before over something new and not very good.

"Everything they make sounds the same. They're incapable of making progressive music." "This new stuff doesn't sound the same as everything else. Doesn't sound like Green Day, which makes it sucky." #GDClogic

Hehe . Have to have Todd's name in the title as well though

I totally get not liking the Trilogy/any album and saying why, but actually trying to convince someone else not to like an album I really don't get. If you happen to like an album and someone else happens not to you're the one who gets to enjoy something and therefore the winner in that situation , I hope no one's enjoyment of it is actually spoiled by others' opinions of it. Well yeah his behaviour at the iHeart festival and the fact that he then (rightly) was in rehab sorting himself out afterwards wrecked the promotion. He was doing plenty of promotion for the albums with no indication that he didn't care before that though, starting off with the awesome secret shows and then closer to the release going around being fun and enthusiastic about the albums in interviews and still playing great shows, I saw them a month before iHeart and he put on as good a show as ever and the night before he'd done a very entertaining Zane Lowe interview with the rest of the band and sounded super excited about the songs from the albums being debuted during it. I don't think a single person had a negative thing to say about the way he was behaving while promoting the albums before iHeart. I don't think they said they aimed for that. Also how did it sound like a 50 year old rather than the 40 year old it was about?

I will agree with you there. Amanda is one of the few songs I really enjoy from the trilogy! The best thing the band has ever done? Sarcasm, I hope.

I love Amanda so much, as a song. When it first came out I kind of felt bad about liking it so much because I thought it was another one of those "sketchy Billie" songs. But I got over it

Personally, "Loss of Control", "Angel Blue", and "Rusty James" were pleasant surprises for me. Some I would even consider to be the best on the album.

I'm not converted yet, you guys are going to have to try and convince me a tiny bit more for me to convert fully.

I swear I'm the only one who thinks Dos is the best in the trilogy. I just love songs like "Stray Heart" and "Makeout Party". Those two songs have some of Mike Dirnt's best bass work IMO.

I really fail to see why terrible songwriting shouldn't be the only qualification needed.

I think Paper Lanterns was the song he "hey-ohhed" in the most, found an example at 5:20 here (or start watching at 4:25 if you want to see some entertaining kinkiness first ): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5dQPN460M0

It's different to write about drugs than to write drugged

Alright, seriously now. If someone has a different opinion, there's no need to crush it, and can disagree like civilised people without any bad blood. People may dislike or like Dos, for example, but there's nothing wrong with either of them. Basically, disagreeing with someone is not vile or unkind, as it's as valid an opinion as yours. Obviously, though, there's no need to act like one's own personal opinion is the right one, as art is always subjective. So yeah, people may disagree with you, and it's natural, but the bad blood is hardly necessary. That applies to all of us.

Seth Green on his instagram.

Sorry if someone else has already posted these....but YAS GAGA YAS:

Corey Taylor from Slipknot did an interview with Larry King and was asked what he has on his iPod and one of the bands he mentioned was Green Day. Found that really interesting. http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/corey-taylor-0_614yqybvqr9g