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Restless Heart Syndrome is masterful. Just listened to it for the first time in a while and it just blew my mind.

We really don't talk about how Emenius Sleepus is one of the best songs on Dookie often enough.

Replace Walk Away with Lazy Bones and I COMPLETELY agree! I actually enjoyed Fuck Time, and despite being a raging feminist, I don't really find it sexist or disgusting. It's meant to be completely over-the-top, and in my opinion it's almost like a parody of songs that are vaguely about sex. Rather than trying to disguise it as something romantic or clever, he's basically just like "hey, I'm here, I'm horny, let's fuck." And honestly, who hasn't felt that way before?

I used to do that and it was only 10 years ago. Kids these days will never know what life was like without iTunes. It angers me.

Orgies are fun

Punk is a funny thing. Nobody agrees what kind of music it is, and everyone has a different conception of what is real and what is fake punk. Then people go all over nuts and start shitstorms whilst arguing what is real punk and what is not, what is cool and what is not. In the end people concluse it is all about some kind of "attitude" which nobody can determine. Genres are a funny thing in general. Y'all take music too seriously.

Well, it would be bad thing (because they're not that great), if it was anything like One Direction. I'm sorry but where are we finding a song like "16" "Paper Lanterns" or "Going to Pasalaqcua" on a One Direction album

Closer to DOS' release date. Probably this weekend if I have the time. I always say the Trilogy in two ways: 1.) It's a raging midlife crisis where all rules and considerations are thrown out the window. Maybe it's poorly conveyed, but since that was the goal you can't really call it sexist. 2.) Billie really doesn't advocate this sort of behavior. Throughout the albums, the wild behaviors lead to misery, loneliness, etc. It's not like Makeout Parties are applauded. You could argue that the songs are comical in of themselves. The narrator is making a fool of himself, and we're well aware of that.

Well you always see more of the character who's POV the songs are written from to be fair, we always know a lot more about Billie himself or the character he sings as than the other characters who we only see through him. However on Dos there is a female character literally given a voice (Lady Cobra) who doesn't come across as any less of a character than the guy she hooks up with. In those songs they're both one dimensional because those songs are about that one dimension of human interaction. I wouldn't describe it as an attempt at recapturing lost youth either, when Billie himself has said it's a mid life crisis thing, about the thoughts and fantasies that might come up. And we see later in the album/trilogy that going about things the way the character has ended up being a bad idea anyway (Amy etc), and that actually being more in control of yourself and love and faithfulness are more important (The Forgotten etc). I see it as looking at male and female characters neither of which are perfect, and looking at the "what ifs" of giving into excess and seeing the good and bad results. Given all that it never strikes me as misogynist.

Yeah he has. I believe one of the times was right before he crowd surfed closer to his wife and added an "Adrienne..." before singing the chorus, pretty sure if he's willing to serenade her with it it's not to be taken that seriously lol. The song is a parody of old rock and roll songs with lyrics that were really about sex but never said anything explicitly, the purpose of including an extreme line like that is to add to the contrast. Just some dark humour. I don't see it that way. To me it comes across as a mutual thing, with the male and female characters both looking for the same thing from each other. Both the man and the woman are up for some partying and sex in those songs and neither comes across as more of an object or more of a human than the other. Does the Lady Cobra character come across as weaker or less in control than the guy she meets? I'd say the opposite if anything, and she doesn't speak about him in any less an objectifying way either. Meanwhile there's other songs where both the male and female come across as less one dimensional (eg Lazy Bones and Amanda). I don't see sexism in it, it's even handed.

Agreed. One of the things that's always been appealing about Billie's writing was how he writes about women. Songs like She, Haushinka and Maria (although that's a metaphor, the point stands) are respectful and understanding. Stuff on the Trilogy just seems like objectification for the most part.

"I don't have sex 'cause I can't get it up."

I like the ending, personally.

Listening to X-Kid is like religious experience to me.

Wow, That's Loud! has such a killer riff that the lyrics become likeable the more one listens to it.

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The Grouch is brilliant.

Songs like that are the best and the worst at the same time. I understand. (Although the name correlation, in your case, is incredibly odd!)

That looks like it was from this past tour... He wore basically that same outfit, but with a bandana around his neck, at the show in Pittsburgh in March 2012. Ugh, nostalgia. Excuse me while I drool. <3

It gets way more backlash than it needs to have.

Yeah I agree. It's not great but it's good to have some half decent Green Day covers. It's enjoyable at least.

Because we never see anything about the majority of Dos's women besides their bodies. We don't know their personalities, their motivations, their desires. All we know is their physicality. Even if you don't consider it misogynist, it's damned poor character writing, damned poor storytelling, and frankly a cringeworthy attempt at recapturing lost youth on Billie's part.

The women in the Trilogy, are not, for the most part, people. They are receptacles to insert a penis into. And that's the most disappointing thing about the entire collection.

I don't see what's that bad on WTL. It's not great but not awful either.

I don't like genres, it labels bands and when they try something fresh everyone goes ape shit.

Although everyone hates on DOS, it's actually overall the most solid album of the three. It's diverse in sound, unlike UNO, but also cohesive in theme and tone, unlike TRE. I think if DOS had better lyrics we'd be looking at it as the best. The musical compositions throughout DOS are generally interesting and of high quality. If the lyrics were more like Stop Drop and Roll, I think this album would be a fan favorite.

I totally agree that they've changed/adapted, but I think that was a natural musical progression for a band that's ambitious and want to challenge themselves and change rather than stagnate. As far as a pop sound goes it's always been there in one way or another though, and I'd say that (for example) the cheesy love songs of their first EP are a lot more pop than the angrier songs of Insomniac. They became more polished production wise but that was because they were in a better studio with more time and money more than anything, in terms of actual songs they've always been a naturally pop influenced band. They even had trouble being allowed to play at Gilman in the early days due to their sound being considered too pop and not punk enough, that's just them.

The eternal battle of the objective and the subjective, right? East Jesus Nowhere is lyrically great, and makes some serious statements which in my opinion were and still are accurate. In that respect I could compare it with American Idiot. Both makes their points clear and both of them are controversial and so very relevant. Those are that kind of songs which made Green Day as a band matter again in the eyes of the public. Still, they aren't musically their best and are not in my personal top 10. But they should be considered objectively important songs, if we think about their importance to their career. Same goes for Good Riddance. Nobody can deny its importance, or the message its lyrics have. For to me it was the first step they took on the path that led to American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown - they broke the genre barriers and took a big step forward. The release of that song was very bold movement. And it paid off. The musical greatness of those songs is a matter of taste, but the importance and the impact of theirs is a cold fact. Those are not in my top ten, personally, I repeat, but those are the songs I appreciate the most. Seeing the difference and being able to make the distinction between the importance and the subjective goodness of a piece of art is very important. It's like, yes, I can say and I have a right to claim that Pink Floyd is a criminally overrated band in my opinion, but I can't deny their importance. Or if we take another example. You have every right in the world to say that the Lord of the Rings is a boring medieval nerd fest that merely includes imaginary characters walking trough all kinds of woods, and I understand and respect that opinion, and also kind of agree with it, but neither of us can deny the importance of it or the impact it has had on pop culture in general. Do I make make any sense?

Not anyone can come up with as good jokes as you, Tom.

Looked up. Couldn't see it. Disappointed.

East Jesus Nowhere is arguably their best song

Has anyone ever noticed that the acoustic version of Stay the Night makes a one night stand seem romantic?

It annoys me as well. Any artist is in the business to be successful. If they say they aren't they are liars. If all they wanted was to play good music, they would become tax attorneys and play to crowds of 200 people on the weekends. GD adapted to become successful and that is by adding elements of pop. Nothing wrong with that, as a matter of fact, it is too be admired.. Plus, just because you are pop, doesn't mean you are bad. There are plenty of good pop artists out there. Of course there are some that really suck too. I don't care what genre you call an artist, if the music is good, I listen.

It's weird but some of the obvious filter effects on Demolicious actually sound cool. Overall though, it seemed that the band was having a lot of fun when they recorded the demos. The random guitar noodling, random grunts and vocal...things?...from Billie like he used to do on Insomniac, etc. It adds a lot of life and energy. Then they recorded the final versions like robots. Even the "sayoooh" at the start of Missing You sounds genuine on Demolicious and completely boring and forced on the Tre version.

It kinda annoys me when fans try to deny Green Day are pop like it's some sort of terrible thing. Yes they are a rock band but there's no denying the fact that they have elements of pop in their music, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Dookie and their other mid nineties albums are actually produced pretty cleanly, they don't have a raw/demo-like sound. When they made Dookie they originally wanted it to sound really raw and mixed it that way but they found it didn't sound good so they changed their mind and mixed it again. It's very clear/clean sounding, as are all the albums that followed. I don't really associate Green Day with a particularly raw, punk sound, they've always had that pop influence (even on the first two albums, which sound rawer due to the resources that were available to them at that time but still have a large amount of pop elements in the music).

so many of the demolicious recording are just so much better, when I listen back to the studio versions, it really makes me ask why they changed it? Its just so much more Green Day. It sounds...beautiful haha?

Yeah, I've always thought of it that way as well. It's one of the more self-aware Trilogy songs in general IMO.

Billie looks absolutely gorgeous in the new pics!!!

:wub: This so much ^^ unf

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It's almost been two years? It feels like just yesterday the last one was opened.

I took these pictures last summer during the European tour, I have some more but I'll have to dig them up Tallinn Helsinki Bråvalla

New Billie thread. :ga:

Does anyone have a link to this interview?

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