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Restless Heart Syndrome is masterful. Just listened to it for the first time in a while and it just blew my mind.

We really don't talk about how Emenius Sleepus is one of the best songs on Dookie often enough.

Replace Walk Away with Lazy Bones and I COMPLETELY agree! I actually enjoyed Fuck Time, and despite being a raging feminist, I don't really find it sexist or disgusting. It's meant to be completely over-the-top, and in my opinion it's almost like a parody of songs that are vaguely about sex. Rather than trying to disguise it as something romantic or clever, he's basically just like "hey, I'm here, I'm horny, let's fuck." And honestly, who hasn't felt that way before?

I used to do that and it was only 10 years ago. Kids these days will never know what life was like without iTunes. It angers me.

Orgies are fun

Punk is a funny thing. Nobody agrees what kind of music it is, and everyone has a different conception of what is real and what is fake punk. Then people go all over nuts and start shitstorms whilst arguing what is real punk and what is not, what is cool and what is not. In the end people concluse it is all about some kind of "attitude" which nobody can determine. Genres are a funny thing in general. Y'all take music too seriously.

Well, it would be bad thing (because they're not that great), if it was anything like One Direction. I'm sorry but where are we finding a song like "16" "Paper Lanterns" or "Going to Pasalaqcua" on a One Direction album

Closer to DOS' release date. Probably this weekend if I have the time. I always say the Trilogy in two ways: 1.) It's a raging midlife crisis where all rules and considerations are thrown out the window. Maybe it's poorly conveyed, but since that was the goal you can't really call it sexist. 2.) Billie really doesn't advocate this sort of behavior. Throughout the albums, the wild behaviors lead to misery, loneliness, etc. It's not like Makeout Parties are applauded. You could argue that the songs are comical in of themselves. The narrator is making a fool of himself, and we're well aware of that.

Well you always see more of the character who's POV the songs are written from to be fair, we always know a lot more about Billie himself or the character he sings as than the other characters who we only see through him. However on Dos there is a female character literally given a voice (Lady Cobra) who doesn't come across as any less of a character than the guy she hooks up with. In those songs they're both one dimensional because those songs are about that one dimension of human interaction. I wouldn't describe it as an attempt at recapturing lost youth either, when Billie himself has said it's a mid life crisis thing, about the thoughts and fantasies that might come up. And we see later in the album/trilogy that going about things the way the character has ended up being a bad idea anyway (Amy etc), and that actually being more in control of yourself and love and faithfulness are more important (The Forgotten etc). I see it as looking at male and female characters neither of which are perfect, and looking at the "what ifs" of giving into excess and seeing the good and bad results. Given all that it never strikes me as misogynist.

Yeah he has. I believe one of the times was right before he crowd surfed closer to his wife and added an "Adrienne..." before singing the chorus, pretty sure if he's willing to serenade her with it it's not to be taken that seriously lol. The song is a parody of old rock and roll songs with lyrics that were really about sex but never said anything explicitly, the purpose of including an extreme line like that is to add to the contrast. Just some dark humour. I don't see it that way. To me it comes across as a mutual thing, with the male and female characters both looking for the same thing from each other. Both the man and the woman are up for some partying and sex in those songs and neither comes across as more of an object or more of a human than the other. Does the Lady Cobra character come across as weaker or less in control than the guy she meets? I'd say the opposite if anything, and she doesn't speak about him in any less an objectifying way either. Meanwhile there's other songs where both the male and female come across as less one dimensional (eg Lazy Bones and Amanda). I don't see sexism in it, it's even handed.

Agreed. One of the things that's always been appealing about Billie's writing was how he writes about women. Songs like She, Haushinka and Maria (although that's a metaphor, the point stands) are respectful and understanding. Stuff on the Trilogy just seems like objectification for the most part.

"I don't have sex 'cause I can't get it up."

I like the ending, personally.

Listening to X-Kid is like religious experience to me.

Wow, That's Loud! has such a killer riff that the lyrics become likeable the more one listens to it.

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Songs like that are the best and the worst at the same time. I understand. (Although the name correlation, in your case, is incredibly odd!)

That looks like it was from this past tour... He wore basically that same outfit, but with a bandana around his neck, at the show in Pittsburgh in March 2012. Ugh, nostalgia. Excuse me while I drool. <3

I remember the time you said the outro sounded "apocalyptic." In reality it sounds more like this:

It gets way more backlash than it needs to have.

Yeah I agree. It's not great but it's good to have some half decent Green Day covers. It's enjoyable at least.

happy to say I've never downloaded any cd or song on iTunes. Only way I'm getting that is by supporting my local record store

Because we never see anything about the majority of Dos's women besides their bodies. We don't know their personalities, their motivations, their desires. All we know is their physicality. Even if you don't consider it misogynist, it's damned poor character writing, damned poor storytelling, and frankly a cringeworthy attempt at recapturing lost youth on Billie's part.

How do songs about men and women mutually wanting to go out and party and have sex with each other sometimes take away from that empowering message?

Back in the day - god I'm old - but seriously I would work my job after school just to buy a record.

X-Kid would have been so far improved on Demolicious. A little more edge on that hook and more distorted guitars would make it fantastic

I don't see what's that bad on WTL. It's not great but not awful either.

I don't like genres, it labels bands and when they try something fresh everyone goes ape shit.

Yes, but the pop influence has been there right from the start. It is in their blood, so to say. BJ just writes poppy songs and has always done so. Take away the raw production and some of the songs on 1039 SLSH are nearly bubblegum. Both lyrically and musically. The production or the style of their lyrics may have changed as the years have gone by, but the basic songwriting has always been poppy. Catchy, easily sing-alongable melodies, for example. Or the basic song structure (with which they later experienced, though). Or the easily relatable lyrics. Pop is a part of them, has always been and so they didn't adapt to it. They just are like that.

I don't think that's the reason there's pop elements in their music at all. They've always had those elements there ever since their very first EP, not to become successful but because that's the type of music they wanted to play. The songs on 39/Smooth and Kerplunk aren't any less pop sounding than Dookie. They're influenced by amazing bands that incorporated a pop sound such as The Beatles and The Ramones and many others and appreciate that sound, and play that way because it sounds good to them. They became successful because it turns out lots of people agree that it sounds good. They didn't have to compromise to achieve the sound that people like, it's just what they always played.

I enjoy Makeout Party.

Looked up. Couldn't see it. Disappointed.

Has anyone ever noticed that the acoustic version of Stay the Night makes a one night stand seem romantic?

It annoys me as well. Any artist is in the business to be successful. If they say they aren't they are liars. If all they wanted was to play good music, they would become tax attorneys and play to crowds of 200 people on the weekends. GD adapted to become successful and that is by adding elements of pop. Nothing wrong with that, as a matter of fact, it is too be admired.. Plus, just because you are pop, doesn't mean you are bad. There are plenty of good pop artists out there. Of course there are some that really suck too. I don't care what genre you call an artist, if the music is good, I listen.

RIP Gravy

Dookie and their other mid nineties albums are actually produced pretty cleanly, they don't have a raw/demo-like sound. When they made Dookie they originally wanted it to sound really raw and mixed it that way but they found it didn't sound good so they changed their mind and mixed it again. It's very clear/clean sounding, as are all the albums that followed. I don't really associate Green Day with a particularly raw, punk sound, they've always had that pop influence (even on the first two albums, which sound rawer due to the resources that were available to them at that time but still have a large amount of pop elements in the music).

He's the drummer.

Songs that I wish were on Demolicious / would've sounded crazy awesome on it: Stop When The Red Lights Flash X-Kid Dirty Rotten Barstards Kill The DJ Walk Away

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A new thread? oh yes! All the Billies were nomming on the GDC servers!

It's almost been two years? It feels like just yesterday the last one was opened.

I took these pictures last summer during the European tour, I have some more but I'll have to dig them up Tallinn Helsinki Bråvalla

A little minut

New Billie thread. :ga:

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