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How convenient that the writer separate "mind" and "fuck" so as to make it "fuck America" which is entirely different than "mindfuck America".

NEVER SAY NEVER,, this again and as a new person round here, it's an amazing place, and it's good people have different opinions, for as, we are humans, not robots

honestly i think gdc was much scarier/less friendly back then. people were really harsh on 'noobs' and such. the nature of this thread is obviously going to spark disagreements, and therefore debates. that doesn't have to devolve into full out arguments, and i don't think it has at all. everyone in here should remember that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're attacking you

Green Day on the next Big Cheese issue ( out July, 5th)

It's definitely not the hey-ohs. I mean, crowd interaction is a part of it. One of their strongest attributes live though is that they sound really damn good. Too many rock bands sound like complete shit live compared to the recordings. Not to mention their energy. They've always come out and put on a show. Not just stood around playing their songs. They were pretty strong back in the 90's, seemed to calm down a bit during Warning, but came back with a huge powerful show during the American Idiot tour.

I'm not gonna dignify that with much of an answer. Really unnecessary. And I think most people have moved on. But I hope you feel good about yourself.

My original point was not to trash the forum, I just wanted to talk to someone. And no one ever really says anything to me unless I'm arguing about something. I guess it's not really fair to expect it if no one knows who you are or if you didn't make much of an effort to share things about yourself when you first joined. I get it. Getting responses to what is going on currently with green day or like with the world cup going now is enough. Just seems like people argue more than they make an effort to make connections, that is all, but I'll shut up now so the thread doesn't get closed.

I beg to differ--I was welcomed as soon as I arrived here, and really made to feel like I was making a valuable contribution. Maybe, just maybe, people actually disagree with your opinion, and aren't on some witch hunt against new people.

That last part is kinda beside the point. But yeah it's not really fair to everyone. But i think most people would agree that isn't the same place anymore. And understandbly so, it was just a suggestion to improve the site, but yeah still fucked up. This place only really interests me when green day stuff is going on anyway, and I guess that is how it will have to stay. It's prolly that way for most anyway. I guess it's unrealistic to really fit right in. Especially when you can't keep up.

christina @zaynalprobe · 13m Lunch at Rudy's finallyyyyyy this place is a GIANT PUN christina @zaynalprobe · 4m Hey so Mike Dirnt is here

Yeah, but I don't think it's your fault. It's not even the sellers fault, it comes from Adeline. I'm sure they have all the sleeves/covers for the singles laying around somewhere. As long as it's not ripped or bent, it's okay to be sold, I guess :-/

Yep speaking from personal experience

7 Songs You Shouldn’t Play on the Fourth of July 5. “American Idiot,” Green Day It’s hard to believe it’s been almost 10 years since Green Day made its comeback with the political rock opera American Idiot. The album’s title single stirred up a ton of controversy when it came out. While we’d been used to hearing Green Day drop the f-bomb in its songs for years, it had never before been followed by “America.” The whole record is a scathing portrait of what American life looked like for those coming of age under the second Bush administration, and “American Idiot” presents the thesis. “Don’t wanna be an American idiot / Don’t want a nation under the new mania / And can you hear the sound of hysteria? / The subliminal mind fuck America,” are opening lyrics sure to get blood boiling on a holiday meant to celebrate the formation of this good country. http://wallstcheatsheet.com/entertainment/7-songs-you-shouldnt-play-on-the-fourth-of-july.html/?a=viewall

I was never scared to post and GDC was scarier then , it's much nicer now. Really though I don't think anyone means anything personally in this thread, it's just a case of disagreeing with unpopular opinions. As long as everyone remembers it's only music we're debating and doesn't make it personal/take it personally I don't see any problem with disagreeing and debating all we want regardless of how long each of us has been here.

When I joined I didn't post for a year coz this place was all scary and big. So yeah - very welcoming

I was just about to post that. This place loves a good old shitstorm/witch hunt, but at the same time it's also easily the most accepting forum I've ever been a member on.

My point is no one makes much of an effort to be nice to new/unknown people. Everyone starts disagreeing with them for really no reason when they try to make an effort. But in this case it wasn't like you started it really. But I have seen it quite a bit other places. Or just nobody cares and doesn't respond to what a new person says.

So you personally attack people with this post, in ways that are absolutely irrelevant to anything, and then expect people to not be pissed off? None of what people were debating was off topic, then you respond with that and wonder why it gets people's backs up? Absolutely no need for it. You're also backtracking with your rap comments.

I maintain that that is the band's finest hour ever.

Way to answer his question.

Wow look at you, aren't you so funny quoting something I never said or even remotely implied, props to you dude. And I was trying to have a disscussion. I didn't gang up on anyone and basically passive aggressively say oh one of those people again. Like you know me already. All I said was you were being hypocritical in your statements about state of shock. Which wasn't really wrong. Yet everyone wants to take my statements about rap music out of context. I wasn't trying to force my opinion on anyone. Yet if I have a different opinion than you then automatically I'm arrogant, ignorant and a hater of almost all the music you like. Actually read what I type next time. But yeah i will admit i told you to shut up, and I'm sorry but my original intention wasn't to force my opinion on someone or piss someone off.

Yeah, we might be coming at it from a couple of different angles. I just feel like there isn't a lot on AI that would work on any of their previous albums. There's a lot of overdubs guitar-wise, whereas their earlier stuff was a lot more bare-bones. Clearly you don't listen to a lot of rap, because you seem to have a lot of misconceptions about it as a genre, which is a shame. The best musicians draw influences from everything. There is no genre that doesn't borrow ideas and techniques from other genres. At any rate, it's a shame if you think the band trying to incorporate more ideas and versatility is a bad thing. Again, ideally, they would've incorporated that stuff and actually done it well, but at least they're trying something new.

Got a copy of Warning for £1.99 in a charity shop earlier. Wasn't even looking for music, it was just there.

Immediately after this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK-NWLiS_As

Holiday and AI, maybe, but that's only if you ignore their place in the overall political context of the album. And those are about the only songs that would've fit on Warning, and that's with different instrumentation. And no, it's fucking Green Day, of course they're not going to stop playing mostly power chord 4/4 music, but it's still more ambitious and complex than anything they'd come close to before, even from a purely musical sense. It is a fact, people just get huge boners for 21CB and want to claim it was a more important album than it actually was. You're not saying anything concrete here. Saying "well rap is easy, so it doesn't count as trying something new" is like saying "well, I've never eaten grilled cheese before, but since making one was so easy, it doesn't count as a new food experience." It's just wrong. Also, Green Day have gotten more out of 4 chords than any other band in history, so you can't really talk about it being an easy style of music. You cannot be a great musician without listening to a lot of different genres of music, and you're an idiot if you think otherwise. Billie may not have pulled off a rap song, but the fact that he listens to rap and gave it a try is purely positive. Whether you like it or not, it is unlike anything they've tried before. It doesn't matter if you don't think it's good, you cannot dispute they've never made a song like Nightlife or Troublemaker before. Green Day don't really need to "advance their careers," which is why them trying new shit is so important. It shows they still care about making music, rather than continuing to just make money, or pay lip service to the fans who want every album to be Dookie. I guess we'll just fundamentally disagree about different not always being positive or noteworthy, because I feel it is. The fact that Nightlife is so different is just about the only positive fucking thing about it, but I will still respect it more for that than anything else.

Ignorant comment about rap alert.

Until just now I thought this was a universally held fact!

Ah, you're all fucking wrong. American Idiot was a huge change-up in terms of everything. Tom, how can you say the songwriting's the same as on previous albums? It's far more complex, they veered away from that classic pop punk sound and went for straight up rock. It's far more grandiose and ambitious, (and actually pulls it off, unlike the sprawling 21CB), the scope is larger, there's more guitar parts, along with other instruments they had only flirted with before. You're my favorite.

To say American Idiot has similar production values to anything prior to it is just wrong. It may be comparable to Nimrod in some ways at a push, but everything is so much more hi-fi sounding, straight up balls out rock. It might be considered "standard Rob Cavallo" these days but for Green Day it was a departure. The songwriting didn't change a great deal, it was just a lot more focused and stylistically consistent. It's the production that really sets it apart, as their sound got so much bigger.

Billie's not that bad an actor. Sure, he ain't gonna be winning any oscars, but his performances seem fairly natural, which is what you want. I've sure seen worse actors.

It's annoying me but Lately i can't stop thinking (dreaming) about the trilogy songs being recorded with distortion.

I feel bad because for a couple of weeks I didn't really listen to Green Day that often. However, I'm back listening to them right now and I feel like I appreciate them more than when I listened to them religiously everyday. Like taking a break from them kinda gave me a greater appreciation of them. Also, I have been listening to the acoustic version of "Stay The Night" fairly frequently. I just can't get over how good Billie's voice sounds in it!

Last night, I was riding in my dad's jeep with him, and the windows were down, the breeze felt great, the scent of charcoal filled my nose as we were driving through neighborhoods, and When I Come Around came on the radio. I thought to myself "We could get in a horrible car accident right now, I could die, and I'm perfectly okay with that". All of my senses were being positively stimulated, and I just felt great. It was awesome

If I prayed I'd pray to you lol

Yeah how dare you not give in to the GDC pressure to hate this Trilogy.