dirnt286 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 https://pitchfork.com/news/morrissey-details-new-album-ft-grizzly-bear-ed-droste-green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-more/ I wouldn't think Moz would have any interest in Billie Joe whatsoever but the man is a riddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 They were both at that Johnny Ramone tribute event over the summer. I’m guessing they got to talking about music and one thing led to another. Billie’s always up for anything it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave To The Network Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Who is Morrissey and what's going on? I'm so confused. Billie's just doing one song on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpelstiltskin2000 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Green Day In Seattle said: Who is Morrissey and what's going on? I'm so confused. Billie's just doing one song on the album? He was the frontman of "The Smiths" and went solo in 1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Interesting But the thing is when Billie "collaborates" on a song it can often just mean he helped a bit with writing it or plays some guitar or does some backing vocals so you can hardly even tell he's involved . Have to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 It's going to be interesting to hear the song, don't get me wrong. It's just that it makes me feel bad to see that B*llie proclaims wokeness and then collaborates with Morissey. I mean, I realize there's no point in taking any of it seriously - Billie's politics or especially Morrisey's. But this is one of those things that make me realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mato Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Totally unexpected and random, but I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billie Hoe Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 It's ironic that the article was published by "the Pitchfork" because that's what I'll be holding next time I see B*llie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Stay woke, Billie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I was a fan of the Smiths back in the day but didn’t follow Morrissey into his solo years. I know he’s very vocal about animal rights and vegetarianism but what has he been accused of that’s racist or similar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJennsitized Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said: I was a fan of the Smiths back in the day but didn’t follow Morrissey into his solo years. I know he’s very vocal about animal rights and vegetarianism but what has he been accused of that’s racist or similar? https://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-talks-racism-left-wing-hitler-says-sadiq-khan-can-not-talk-properly-2295226 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/ex-morrissey-fans-disown-singer-throwing-anti-racism-party/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Huh okay. Didn’t see much in his comments but it’s his support for far right politics that surprises me. This isn’t the first person associated with the far right that Billie has worked with. I wonder if he tries to compartmentalize the music or other association that’s his involvement or whether he hopes to be a positive influence and engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jengd Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 We've always known Morrisey was an ass but that doesn't mean he hasn't made a lot of music that people have loved. I'm not one of them and am not defending him, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, DeJennsitized said: Stay woke, Billie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, pacejunkie punk said: I was a fan of the Smiths back in the day but didn’t follow Morrissey into his solo years. I know he’s very vocal about animal rights and vegetarianism but what has he been accused of that’s racist or similar? Billie probably doesn't know any more about him than this either. I'd vaguely heard about his Sadiq Khan comments but that's likely just because I'm in the UK, it wasn't exactly massive news. Probably just knows the same amount most people know about him (that he's very vocal about his causes and can be a dick at times) and then met him at that event. Like, not everyone researches everything about everyone they interact with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hermione said: Billie probably doesn't know any more about him than this either. I'd vaguely heard about his Sadiq Khan comments but that's likely just because I'm in the UK, it wasn't exactly massive news. Probably just knows the same amount most people know about him (that he's very vocal about his causes and can be a dick at times) and then met him at that event. Like, not everyone researches everything about everyone they interact with. That was the third possibility I considered - that he doesn’t even know about this. Not to get into the right and wrong of what he said but when I read the Sadiq Khan comments, it sounded less like racism to me than it was a case of Brits attacking Brits for their lower class or regional accents, there being such past pressure to speak RP English, am I right? There could certainly be an undercurrent of racism but I’ve seen this same complaint directed at plenty of whites that didn’t sound like they came from West London or work for the BBC. I know that’s changing but Morrissey is a bitter old bastard with bitter old bastard views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grohl Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I never liked The Smiths and Morrisey is an asshole, so I won't be checking it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryjanewhatsername Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Another possibility is that Billie is interested in the music itself and knows this about Morrissey. He's just separating the music from the artist. Possibly Billie is just happy to be a part of a project. Either way, I still love Billie (and I used to really love the old Smiths stuff) and I still am not a fan of Morrissey. Sometimes the people we love do things we aren't proud of, including Billie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerjeezus Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I accept it on a rational level but I'm still like whenever I see the name of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herewegoagain Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Akward.. (and with a not great picture of Billie lmao) https://www.thefader.com/2019/02/26/why-are-these-alt-rock-musicians-suddenly-lining-up-behind-morrissey Quote Why are these alt-rock musicians suddenly lining up behind Morrissey? He’s offered his support to far-right groups, defended alleged sexual predators, and attacked the press for reporting on it. Somehow, his new album is studded with alt-rock stars. It is usually best to ignore Steven Patrick Morrissey. The foppish former frontman of The Smiths and recent right-wing blowhard now brays from the fringes, his music all but irrelevant, his views as nuanced as those of a toddler in a temper tantrum. His only worthwhile contribution to pop culture over the past decade came when JPEGMAFIA borrowed his name for the brilliant “I Cannot Fucking Wait Until Morrissey Dies.” He’d be a punchline if the joke didn’t feel so easy. He’d be a focal-point if it wasn’t so clear that he was desperate for the spotlight. But here we are, after even the most ardent Smiths fans have disavowed the man, preparing for another cursed Morrissey record. And while it holds true that we should all ignore him, California Son, out in May, throws up something tricky. Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste, Young The Giant’s Sameer Gadhia, The Regrettes' Lydia Night, LP, and Green Day’s Billie Joe Armstrong (misspelled as “Billy” in the press release, for what it’s worth) will all guest on the record. What possible reason could any of these people have for lining up behind Morrissey now? For those lucky enough to have avoided the back-and-forth between Morrissey and the world over the past decade, here’s a non-exhaustive recap. A little over a decade ago, in an interview with the NME, the singer went off on a tangent about immigration in the UK. "England is a memory now,” he was quoted as saying. “The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in." He took the NME to court for libel, gave £28,000 to Love Music Hate Racism, and eventually got an apology from the magazine, but he wouldn’t stay out of the headlines for long. In a 2010 interview with the Guardian Weekend Magazine, the singer, upset at China’s treatment of animals, referred to the Chinese people as a “subspecies.” He then told Loaded in 2013 that he nearly voted for the far-right, anti-immigrant UK Independence Party, and confessed that he liked their blustering leader, Nigel Farage, “a great deal.” Since then he’s seemingly taken a keen interest in UKIP’s internal politics, wondering aloud on BBC 6 Music in 2016 whether their leadership elections had been “rigged” against the vociferous anti-Islam candidate Anne Marie Waters. Forget such ancient history though because, God, was he busy over the last two years. There was the infamous interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel, in which Morrissey seemed to defend both Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein. Referring, apparently out of the blue, to the then-newly surfaced accusations against Spacey, he said of the actor’s 14-year-old alleged victim: “One wonders if the boy did not know what could happen.” He said of Weinstein’s victims that “Those people knew exactly what would happen, and they played along. Afterwards they were embarrassed or they didn't enjoy it. And then they turn it around and say: 'I was attacked, I was surprised, I was pulled into the room.' But if everything went well, and it helped them to a big career, they wouldn't be talking about it.” He said that Berlin had become “the rape capital of the world” due to its “open borders.” He later said that he’d been slandered by Der Spiegel and called for the "unchopped, unfiddled-with audio" of the interview. The newspaper released exactly that soon after. And then there was the spring of 2018, with the Der Spiegel interview still ringing in our collective ears, and Morrissey seemingly intent on pulling at that “open borders” thread again. “As far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing,” he said in an interview with an ungooglable man called John Riggers at his own website. “But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless.” In that same “interview,” he insisted that London Mayor Sadiq Khan “can not talk properly,” and, remarkably, said that “halal slaughter requires certification that can only be given by supporters of ISIS.” Soon after, again at Morrissey Central, he expressed his support for Waters’s new For Britain party, which had already gained the support of the far-right activist and one-time English Defense League leader Tommy Robinson, and has since invited a holocaust denier to speak at their conference. Some true believers insist that Morrissey is more a provocateur than an outright racist. It’s a clumsy form of mental gymnastics that requires the Morrissey fan to not only split the art from the artist, but to split the man from his words entirely, leaving nothing but a clownish husk with a team of lawyers at his side. Other people simply take the talk of “subspecies” and Spacey and “ISIS,” weigh it against their love for “This Charming Man,” and find that they’re fine with it all so long as they can go and pay homage on the next Morrissey tour. And perhaps that’s where these indie and rock musicians have found themselves today. Surely they know about Morrissey’s takes on the sexual assault of minors and the precise certification process for halal meat. Maybe they just don’t care. Maybe there’s something in it for them. But it’s difficult to imagine what, precisely, that something might be. Billlie Joe Armstrong turned literally millions of kids against his country’s war-mongering government when Green Day reemerged with American Idiot. Ed Droste feels queasy about bringing politics and art into the same space, but he said that he was devastated by the fact that the people he met on the campaign trail with Bernie Sanders — LGBTQ people and Muslims in particular — were facing aggression in the wake of the Trump election. Sameer Gadhia proudly wrote about the immigrant experience in America on 2016’s Home of the Strange, and his band has apparently dropped R. Kelly’s “Ignition (Remix)” from its set — an acknowledgement that a musician’s actions might impact their work, at least in the eyes of their fans. Night wants to inspire the kids at her shows. Laura Pergolizzi wants us to “fight for our rights” in the face of a Republican White House. A Morrissey collaboration isn’t the best way of reinforcing that. Because, at root, a guest spot on California Son isn’t just an opportunity for these artists to sing alongside someone they liked when they were teenagers. It’s a co-sign, one that gives Morrissey credibility to a younger generation. And for what? Will any of these musicians really see a spike in sales or popularity by collaborating with Morrissey in 2019? Will their own credibility be burnished by singing alongside a man who so openly backs the far-right? If it’s a calculated risk, what’s the pay-off? Who wins except Morrissey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 ^^^ Interesting article. If people are so curious about what these artists could be thinking, the best way to find out is to ask them. Hopefully someone will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The thing is Morrissey isn't a politician so most people (including I'd imagine many musicians) don't pay attention to the intricacies of his political opinions. That article is written as if the guy is a political figure and everyone hangs on his every word and these musicians have gone "yeah I've studied everything he's ever said and have no problem with any of it and I'd like to work with him and 'line up to give him my support'", when it's more likely they just like his music and aren't experts on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpsalty Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I feel like this was more about doing a duet with Lydia Night than about morrissey, at least I wish it was, but if it’s a collab then I’m guessing they’ll just be on the chorus or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herewegoagain Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hermione said: The thing is Morrissey isn't a politician so most people (including I'd imagine many musicians) don't pay attention to the intricacies of his political opinions. That article is written as if the guy is a political figure and everyone hangs on his every word and these musicians have gone "yeah I've studied everything he's ever said and have no problem with any of it and I'd like to work with him and 'line up to give him my support'", when it's more likely they just like his music and aren't experts on him. I just... I don't expect Billie and these other people to know every single thing about every musician out there that they might cross paths with at some point, even I didn't know about all of that despite picking up the stuff that happened last year. But a lot of it is (generalisingly put) a simple google search away, if I was in his position and somehow a collaboration came up I don't know if would, or except a guy like Billie to, blindly walk into it just because the Smiths made cool music. Meh, I guess he lives in a bubble and can do exactly that and separate the music from the man if he feels like it. But the whole no racism/punch a nazi thing looks really jarring next to all that subspecies, loony left, you're calling me racist because you know I'm right!!! shit for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacejunkie punk Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hermione said: The thing is Morrissey isn't a politician so most people (including I'd imagine many musicians) don't pay attention to the intricacies of his political opinions. That article is written as if the guy is a political figure and everyone hangs on his every word and these musicians have gone "yeah I've studied everything he's ever said and have no problem with any of it and I'd like to work with him and 'line up to give him my support'", when it's more likely they just like his music and aren't experts on him. No but he’s still a public enough figure and vocal about his views that’s it’s a fair question why these artists don’t have any reservations about collaborating with him. For instance, when it comes out are the artists going to promote the release on their own social media? If Green Day’s own album comes out a few months after, I would imagine it will come up in interviews. Why did you do it, and they should be prepared to answer. They have to know enough to not be caught off guard, so you bet they’ve thought about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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